Once you stop learning, you start dying

@fmf said
Albert Einstein: "Once you stop learning, you start dying".

Do people agree with Einstein on this?

tangentboy here,

"dying" is a term we use to indicate that a once "living" entity has stopped "living"...
my point of view tells me that "living" and "dying" are not real,
i.e. surreal, or illusion...

matter merely changes state, tis neither created nor destroyed...
i think einstein may have pointed this out...

@rookie54 said
tangentboy here,

"dying" is a term we use to indicate that a once "living" entity has stopped "living"...
my point of view tells me that "living" and "dying" are not real,
i.e. surreal, or illusion...

matter merely changes state, tis neither created nor destroyed...
i think einstein may have pointed this out...

I see the word "dying" here more as meaning something along the lines of 'not progressing' or 'no longer growing'. So "living" is characterized by constant change.

@fmf said
I see the word "dying" here more as meaning something along the lines of 'not progressing' or 'no longer growing'. So "living" is characterized by constant change.

fair enough,
so then i'll go right to the far edge of logic and claim that since the universe is in a constant state of flux, or change,

the universe is alive...

@rookie54 said
the universe is alive...

I wonder what it's learning...

@fmf said
I wonder what it's learning...

i once read a sci-fi book that postulated that stars could be sentient...
and since they were so long-lived as compared to a human, we would seem as so much a flash in the pan to them...
a sentient star would seem as a god to our puniness...

@fmf said
With theology - with the Bible, for instance -- there is always some deeper analysis or angle on the text, cross references etc. -that one can learn about - as sonship demonstrates here week in week out.

Atheism, though - for me, for example, being someone who simply lacks theist belief - it is not something I study or seek to learn about, nor is there any scripture or body o ...[text shortened]... n't doing all that much "learning", I think the saying in the OP has a good measure of truth to it.

As you say, the meaning of life is to love and learn. I'm good with that. There's truth in that.

But we're all going to die. Fact of life isn't it?

A Christian doesn't begin to die once they stop learning about theology. They just stop growing spiritually. But no matter how much they learn they're going to die as well. Physically.

In the matter of Einstein's statement though, I think the inference is more of an idiom relative to successful living as aposed to literal dying.

@rookie54 said
i once read a sci-fi book that postulated that stars could be sentient...

Animism writ large!

@fmf said
I wonder what it's learning...

Or what it's waiting for.

"For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God." Romans 8:19

Just sayin'.

@secondson said
A Christian doesn't begin to die once they stop learning about theology. They just stop growing spiritually. But no matter how much they learn they're going to die as well. Physically.

I've had Christians telling me for years that I am already dead because I don't believe in Jesus. Another idiom I suppose. Strikes me as a pinhole perspective on the wonder of life.

@fmf said
I've had Christians telling me for years that I am already dead because I don't believe in Jesus. Another idiom I suppose. Strikes me as a pinhole perspective on the wonder of life.

Physical death is inevitable. Even for a Christian.

Being born again is being made alive spiritually in Christ. It is an act of God just as it was when Jesus was resurrected from the dead.

Extrapolate.

@secondson said
Physical death is inevitable. Even for a Christian.

Being born again is being made alive spiritually in Christ. It is an act of God just as it was when Jesus was resurrected from the dead.

Extrapolate.

It would be interesting to hear if you'd feel "more alive" if you were to lose your religious beliefs and stopped feeling the need to recite so much rote-learned dogma in the course of trying to express how "alive" you say you are.

I don't have any regrets and feel very positive about my decades as a Christian so I won't claim to feel "more alive" now, but my constant exposure to the stultifying recitation of Christian dogma here means I don't have any regrets and I feel very positive about my loss of faith.

It feels like it was personal growth, for me at least.

@fmf said
It would be interesting to hear if you'd feel "more alive" if you were to lose your religious beliefs and stopped feeling the need to recite so much rote-learned dogma in the course of trying to express how "alive" you say you are.

I don't have any regrets and feel very positive about my decades as a Christian so I won't claim to feel "more alive" now, but my constant exposur ...[text shortened]... eel very positive about my loss of faith.

It feels like it was personal growth, for me at least.

Ridiculous. I'm no more alive than you are except for the spiritual component of my being. Sorry you feel constantly exposed to the stultifying recitation of that fact.

Perhaps you're posting in the wrong forum. As long as I'm here you will continue to hear about my spirituality with regards to my faith, what the Bible says is truth and the doctrine contained in it.

Is that why you left off being a Christian, because of the "stultifying" effects of "constant exposure" to hearing about Jesus Christ and the eternal life that is in Him alone?

That's not good FMF.

@secondson said
Sorry you feel constantly exposed to the stultifying recitation of that fact.

Actually what I said is that my constant exposure to the stultifying recitation of Christian dogma here means I don't have any regrets and I feel very positive about my loss of faith.

@secondson said
Is that why you left off being a Christian, because of the "stultifying" effects of "constant exposure" to hearing about Jesus Christ and the eternal life that is in Him alone?

No. Read what I said. I said I don't have any regrets and feel very positive about my decades as a Christian so I won't claim to feel "more alive" now, but nor do I have any regrets about my loss of faith.

What I'm saying is this: listening to uninspiring regurgitating religionists, as I do here, makes my loss of faith feel more like personal growth than a personal loss.

@fmf said
No. Read what I said. I said I don't have any regrets and feel very positive about my decades as a Christian so I won't claim to feel "more alive" now, but nor do I have any regrets about my loss of faith.

What I'm saying is this: listening to uninspiring regurgitating religionists, as I do here, makes my loss of faith feel more like personal growth than a personal loss.

I got that, as difficult as that may be for you to believe.

Thing is though, it would make no difference whether I quote scripture, paraphrase it or otherwise express my spirituality in this the spirituality forum, somehow you would find a way to negate it. I could make a list of all your stultifying recitations and uninspiring regurgitated recitations of your agnostic atheist dogma, but there's no point since their in most all your posts.

And this is twisted: your loss of faith gives you the feeling of personal growth because of listening to those of faith.

Then perhaps you should be grateful. Just think of how much personal growth you could be feeling if you just stopped posting here. Oh wait! That's convoluted! You should be listening more intently so you can grow more.

No, wait! That doesn't work either. Seems you're in a bit of a conundrum here FMF.

You're posting in a spirituality forum, but can't stand the opposition to your agnostic atheist perspective, yet you experience personal growth in the process of losing faith as a result of hearing what you can't stand.

Funny, we're a lot alike in that regards, but in the opposite direction.

Nobody's really going to win or lose these debates, but that's not why we're here is it? We're just here sharpening our swords.