Monotheists believe in one god. The ancients believed in multiple gods. Atheists believe in no god(s). My question to Monotheists: If it is possible that one god exists, why is it not possible that there are multiple gods? Just as you ask atheists to prove god does not exist, I ask you to prove that only one god exists.

Originally posted by 667joe
Monotheists believe in one god. The ancients believed in multiple gods. Atheists believe in no god(s). My question to Monotheists: If it is possible that one god exists, why is it not possible that there are multiple gods? Just as you ask atheists to prove god does not exist, I ask you to prove that only one god exists.

Originally posted by 667joe
Monotheists believe in one god. The ancients believed in multiple gods. Atheists believe in no god(s). My question to Monotheists: If it is possible that one god exists, why is it not possible that there are multiple gods? Just as you ask atheists to prove god does not exist, I ask you to prove that only one god exists.

Because the bible says so is not proof!

Originally posted by 667joe
Because the bible says so is not proof!

Because the bible says so is not proof!

Originally posted by 667joe
Monotheists believe in one god. The ancients believed in multiple gods. Atheists believe in no god(s). My question to Monotheists: If it is possible that one god exists, why is it not possible that there are multiple gods? Just as you ask atheists to prove god does not exist, I ask you to prove that only one god exists.

Originally posted by sonship

Because the bible says so is not proof!

I didn't say it was. I just pointed out that I think it is significant.

However, the credibility of the Bible I have to take seriously because of the track record of fulfilled prophecy.

For example, the ruler Cyrus was mentioned [b]by name as a gentile ruler who would be used by God. And ...[text shortened]... ersians defeated the Chaldeans, influencing him to allow some of them to return to their land.[/b]

"Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying, Thus says Cyrus king of Persia: All the kingdoms of the earth the LORD God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah. Who is among you of all His people? May the LORD his God be with him, and let him go up!" - 2 Chronicles 36:22-23

"Who says of Cyrus, 'He is My shepherd, And he shall perform all My pleasure, Saying to Jerusalem, "You shall be built," And to the temple, "Your foundation shall be laid." ' - Isaiah 44:28

"King Cyrus also brought out the articles of the house of the LORD, which Nebuchadnezzar had taken from Jerusalem and put in the temple of his gods; and Cyrus king of Persia brought them out by the hand of Mithredath the treasurer, and counted them out to Sheshbazzar the prince of Judah. This is the number of them: thirty gold platters, one thousand silver platters, twenty-nine knives, thirty gold basins, four hundred and ten silver basins of a similar kind, and one thousand other articles. All the articles of gold and silver were five thousand four hundred. All these Sheshbazzar took with the captives who were brought from Babylon to Jerusalem." - Ezra 1:7-11

Originally posted by sonship

Because the bible says so is not proof!

I didn't say it was. I just pointed out that I think it is significant.

However, the credibility of the Bible I have to take seriously because of the track record of fulfilled prophecy.

For example, the ruler Cyrus was mentioned [b]by name as a gentile ruler who would be used by God. And ...[text shortened]... ersians defeated the Chaldeans, influencing him to allow some of them to return to their land.[/b]

And this was before he was born !

"Chapters 40 to 55 (Second Isaiah or Deutero-Isaiah): [written] by an anonymous author who lived in Babylon near the end of the Babylonian captivity."

The generals of Astyages, the last king of the Medes, mutinied at Pasargadae and the empire surrendered to the Persian Empire, which conquered Babylon in 539 BC under Cyrus the Great. The unknown second prophet (See Deutero-Isaiah) predicts the coming of Cyrus, (Isaiah 44:28, Isaiah 45:1) who will liberate the Jews from their Babylonian exile and bring them to the promised land. The second Isaiah, 40-55, comes from the late exilic period, about 540 BC. Some scholars believe the reference to Cyrus is a vaticinium ex eventu or "prophecy from the event".

It also talks about virgin births, resurrections, living in a whale belly, being formed from a rib, talking bushes of fire, the sun not moving,living to be 900 years old, and on and on. Not a reliable source .......

Originally posted by 667joe
It also talks about virgin births, resurrections, living in a whale belly, being formed from a rib, talking bushes of fire, the sun not moving,living to be 900 years old, and on and on. Not a reliable source .......uote]

It also talks about virgin births,

resurrections,

living in a whale belly,

being formed from a rib,

talking bushes of fire,

the sun not moving,

living to be 900 years old,

and on and on. Not a reliable source .......

Sorry. Not one of your explanations merits serious discussion. You, sir are very good at deluding yourself!

Originally posted by 667joe
Sorry. Not one of your explanations merits serious discussion. You, sir are very good at deluding yourself!

Originally posted by 667joe
Sorry. Not one of your explanations merits serious discussion. You, sir are very good at deluding yourself!

Sorry. Not one of your explanations merits serious discussion. You, sir are very good at deluding yourself!

Just a few more candidates for supernatural prophecy and fulfillment.
Of course some modern scholars cannot believe that Daniel wrote Daniel because of the accuracy of prophecies. The same has occurred in skeptical circles concerning the authorship of other books.

Copied with permission from The Christian Think tank.
http://www.christianthinktank.com/proffill.html

With that in mind, I will list many of the non-messianic prophecy/fulfillment pairs here, and later come back through and analyze according to the above program. (Format is P: prophecy verse and F: fulfillment verse.) Some of these may be questionable, and as I study through these, I will try to discuss any problems that arise.

1.Isaac's birth, [P: Gen 15.4; 17.19, 21; 18:10,14 and F: Gen 21.1-3]

2.Jacob and Esau's births[P: Gen 25.19-23 and F: Gen 25.24-26]

3.Samson's birth [P: Judg 13.2-5 and F: Judg 13.24]

4.Samuel's birth [P: 1 Sam 1.17-18 and F: I Sam 1.20]

5.Birth of the Shunammite woman's son [P: 2 Kings 4.16 and F: 2 Kings 4.17]

6.John the Baptist's birth [P: Lk 1.13-17 and F: Lk 1.57-64]

7.Jesus' birth [P: Lk 1.26-33 and F: Lk 2.4-7]

8.The coastal city of Tyre to be captured by Nebuchadnezzar [P: Ezek 26.7; F: history (source later)]

9.The island city of Tyre to be scrapped and made flat, like the top of a rock [P: Ezek 26.4, 14; 28.1-10 and F: history-Alex the Great (source later)]

10.Both cities of Tyre to become a place for the spreading of nets [P: Exek 26.14 and F: history]

11.Both cities of Tyre to have their stones and timbers thrown into the sea [P: Zech 9.3-4 and F: history-Alex the G (source later)]

12.Neither of the cities of Tyre to be rebuilt [P: Exek 26.14 and F: history (source later)]

13.Jericho to fall on the seventh day at the hands of Joshua [P: Josh 6.1-5 and F: Josh 6.20]

14.Rebuilder of Jericho to lose two of his sons when Jericho was rebuilt [P: Josh 6.26 and F: I Kings 16.34]

15.Ninevah to be destroyed[P: Nah 1.3,6 and F: history (source later)]

16.Ninevah's destruction to be partially due to a mighty overflowing of the Tigris River [P: Nah 1.8 and F: history (source later)]

17.Ninevah's overthrow by attackers wearing red colors [P: Nah 2.3 and F: history (sources later)]

18.For Jerusalem to be spared from invasion by the alliance of the Northern Kingdom and Syria [P: Is 7.1-10 and F: Is 7.1 et. al. ]

19.For Jerusalem to the spared from invasion by the Assyrians [P: Is 37.33-35 and F: Is 37.36-37]

20.For Jerusalem to be destroyed by the Babylonians [P: Is 3.8; Jer 11.9; 26.18; Mic 3.12 and F: Lam 2.7; 2 Chron 36.19]

21.For the temple of Solomon to suffer destruction [P: I Kings 9.7-9; Ps 79.1; Jer 7.11-14; 26:18; Ezek 7.21-22; 24.21; Mic 3.12 and F: 2 Chron 36]

22.The temple vessels to be carried to Babylon and later returned to Jerusalem [P: Jer 28.3 and F: 2 Kings 25.14-15; 2 Chron 36.18; Ezra 1.7-11]

23.Jerusalem to be rebuilt by the Jews after 70 years in Babylonian captivity [P: Is 44.28; Jer 25.11-12; 29.10 and F: Ezra 1.1-4]

24.For the rebuilding of Jerusalem to be during times of 'trouble' [P: Dan 9.25 and F: Ezra 4-5; Neh 2.6]

25.The walls to be rebuild 483 years prior to the crucifixion of the Messiah [P: Dan 9.26 and F: history (sources and discussion later)]

26.Joshua and Caleb to enter Canaan after a period of 40 years [P: Num 14.24, 30 and F: Josh 3.7, 17; 14.6-12]

27.Sisera to be defeated by a woman [P: Judge 4.9 and F: Judg 4.21]

28.Hophni and Phinehas to die on the same day [P: 1 Sam 2.34 and F: I Sam 4.11]

29.The Priesthood to be taken from the line of Eli [P: I Sam 2.27-36 and F: I Sam 3.11-14]

30.Saul to become Israel's first king and save them from the Philistines [P: I Sam 9.15-16 and F: I Sam 11, 14]

31.Saul's kingdom to be terminated [P: I Sam 13.14; 15.28; 24.20 and F: 2 Sam 3.1; 5.1-3]

32.Saul to die in battle on a specific day [P: I Sam 28.19 and F: I Sam 31.1-6]

33.The sword to plague David's house [P: 2 Sam 12.10-12 and F: 2 Sam 13.28-29; 16.21-22]

34.Jeroboam's dynasty to be destroyed [P: Kings 14:10-11and F: 1 Kings 15:27-28]

35.Ahab to be victorious over the Syrians [P: I Kings 20:28 and F: 1 Kings 20:29-30]

36.Ahab to die in battle for killing Naboth [p: 1 Kings 21:19; 22:17 and F: 1 Kings 22:37]

37.The dogs would lick Ahab's blood from his chariot [P: 1 Kings 21:19 and F: 1 Kings 22:38]

38.Jezebel to be eaten by wild dogs [P: 1 Kings 21:23; 2 Kings 9:10 and F: 2 Kings 9:35]

39.Naaman to recover from his leprosy [P: 2 Kings 5:3, 8, 10 and F: 2 Kings 5:14]

40.The starving citizens of Samaria to enjoy an abundance of food in 24 hours [P: 2 Kings 7:1 and F: 2 Kings 7:16-17]

41.An arrogant aide of king Ahab to see this miracle, but not eat of the food [P:2 Kings 7:2, 19 and F: 2 Kings 7:17, 20]

42.A Syrian king (Hazael) not to recover from his sickness [P: 2 Kings 8.10 and F: 2 Kings 8:15]

43.Jehu to have four generations upon the throne of Israel [P: 2 Kings 10:30 and F: 2 Kings 15:12]

44.Jehu's dynasty to then be destroyed after 4 generations [P: Hos 1.4 and F: 2 Kings 15:8-12]

45.Joash to defeat the Syrians on three occasions [P: 2 Kings 13:18-l9 and F: 2 Kings 13:25]

46.Jehoram to suffer with an intestinal disease because of his sin2 [P: Chron. 21:15 and F: 2 Chron. 21: 18-19

47.Amaziah to die for his idolatry [P: 2 Chron. 25:16 and F: 2 Chron. 25:20, 22, 27]

48.Sennacherib not to invade Jerusalem [P: Isa. 37:33-35 and F: Isa. 37:36-37]

49.Sennacherib to fall by the sword in his own land [P:Isa. 37:7 and F: Isa. 37:37-38]

50.Hezekiah to be healed of a fatal disease [P: Isa. 38:5 and F: Isa. 38:9]

51.Jehoahaz to never return to Judah, but to die in his Egyptian captivity [P: Jer. 22:10-12 and F: 2 Kings 23:33-34]

52. Josiah to burn the decayed bones of Jeroboam's pagan priests upon the false altar Jeroboam had constructed [P: I Kings 13:1-3 and F: 2 Kings 23:~6]

53.Jehoiachin to be captured by Nebuchadnezzar [P: Jer 22.25 and F: 2 Kings 24:15]

54.A false prophet named Hananiah to die within a year [P: Jer 28:15-16 and F: Jer. 28:17]

55.Zedekiah to be captured by Nebuchadnezzar [P:Jer 21.7 and F: Jer. 52:8-9]

56.Nebuchadnezzar to win over the Egyptians at Carchemish [P: Jer 46 and F: testimony of history]

57.Nebuchadnezzar to invade Egypt [P: Jer. 43:9-13; 46:26; Ezek. 29:19-20 and F: history]

58.Nebuchadnezzar to be reduced to an animal for his pride [P: Dan. 4:19-27 and F: Dan. 4:28-37]

59.Belshazzar to have his kingdom removed from him [P: Dan. 5:5, 25-28 and F😀an. 5:30]

60.Cyrus to allow the Jews to go back and rebuild Jerusalem [P: Isa. 44:28 and F: Ezra 1:1-2]

61.Alexander the Great to conquer Greece and establish a world empire [P: Dan. 2:32-39; 7:6;8:5-8, 21; 11:3 and F: history]

62.Alexander to defeat the Persians [P: Dan. 8:5-8 and F: history]

63.Alexander to die suddenly and his kingdom to be divided into four parts [P😀an. 8:8, 22;11:4 and F: history]

64.Egypt to experience seven years of plenty and seven years of famine [P: Gen. 41:l-7,17-24; 45:6, 11 and F: Gen. 41:47-48, 53-57; 47:13, 20]

65.Egypt to host Israel for 400 years and afflict them [P: Gen. 15:13 and F: Exod. 12:40; Acts 7:6]

66.Israel to leave Egypt with great "plunder" [P: Gen 15.14 with F: Ex 12.35-36]

67.The Northern kingdom of Israel to be carried off into Assyrian captivity [P: I Kings 14.15-16; Hos 1.5; 10.1,6 and F: 2 Kings 17.6-7, 22-23]

68.The Captivity of the Northern Kingdom would happen 65 years after the Isaiah/Ahaz meeting [P: Is 7.8 and F: 2 Kings 17.24]

69.Length of the Babylonian captivity would be 70 years [P: Jer 25.11; 29.10 and F: Dan 9.2]

70.Egypt to defeat Israel at Megiddo [P: Jer. 2:16-17, 19,36-37 and F: 2 Kings 23:29-35]

71.Egypt to stumble and fall before Babylon at Carchemish [P: Jer. 46:5-6, 10-12 and F: history]

72.Egypt to be invaded by Nebuchadnezzar [P: Jer. 43:7-13; 46:13-26 and F: history]

73.Babylon to expand under Nebuchadnezzar [P: Hab. 1:5-10 and F: history]

74.Babylon to defeat the Egyptians at Carchemish [P: Jer. 46 and F: history]

75.Babylon to defeat the Assyrians [P: Nahum and F: history]

76.Babylon to be defeated by the Medes and Persians [P: Isa. 13:17; Jer. 5l:ll and F: Dan. 5]

77.Three world powers to follow Babylon (Persia, Greece, Rome): [P: Dan. 2, 7 and history]

78.Persia to consist of an alliance between two peoples (the Medes and Persians) [P: Dan. 8:14, 20 and F: history]

79.Persia to defeat the Babylonians [P: Dan.2:39; 7:5 and F😀an. 5]

80.Persia to be defeated by the Greeks [P: Dan. 8:5-8, 21-22 and F:history]

81.Greece to be invaded by Persia [P: Dan. 11:2 and F: history]

82.Alexander the Great to conquer Greece and establish a world empire [P: Dan. 2:32-39; 7:6; 8:5-8, 21; 11:3 and F: history]

83.Greece to defeat the Persians [P: Dan 8.5-8 with F: history]

84.Greece to be divided into four parts after Alexander's death [P: Dan. 8:8, 22;11:4 and F:history]

85. Rome to defeat the Greeks [P😀an. 2:40; 7:7;11:18-19 and F: history]