1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    21 Nov '15 00:10
    One Simple Question

    Based upon your knowledge or opinion are there are things within the universe that we're unable to see which actually exist?
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    21 Nov '15 00:29
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]One Simple Question

    Based upon your knowledge or opinion are there are things within the universe that we're unable to see which actually exist?[/b]
    Neutrinos
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    21 Nov '15 03:551 edit
    Originally posted by HandyAndy
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  4. Standard memberbill718
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    21 Nov '15 03:56
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]One Simple Question

    Based upon your knowledge or opinion are there are things within the universe that we're unable to see which actually exist?[/b]
    Yes...the plumbing under my house (and I'm NOT going to crawl under there and look!)
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    21 Nov '15 07:081 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    One Simple Question

    Based upon your knowledge or opinion are there are things within the universe that we're unable to see which actually exist?
    Simple answer: of course, and everybody knows this to be true.

    But lets dig a little deeper. Lets ask 'are there things within the universe we can know about that we're unable to see?'.
    Now we must ask: what do you mean by 'see'? Do you mean 'light from the object must physical be absorbed by cells in your eyes'?
    If so, then many many things quite obviously fall into this category even the plumbing under Bills house.
    I much better definition however would be 'something that we can detect via experiment', in which case even dark matter is not ruled out - although it remains the case that the plumbing under Bills house is not known about via this means.
    However, the plumbing under Bills house is not immune from such experimentation, so we can't really say 'we are unable to see it' merely 'we haven't seen it'.

    In astronomy everything we see is in fact the past. So we can not actually see most of the universe as it is right now. For nearby places we can just wait, but to see what is happening right now in a galaxy 1 billion light years away would require us to wait at least another billion years. I think we can safely say that there are things going on including new stars in that galaxy that we are unable to see or detect by any means.
    However, this all gets a bit complicated because another way of looking at it is to say it doesn't actually exist until it is at least theoretically detectable. That is roughly how quantum mechanics works.
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    21 Nov '15 07:231 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Based upon your knowledge or opinion are there are things within the universe that we're unable to see which actually exist?
    Farts.
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    22 Nov '15 04:25
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]One Simple Question

    Based upon your knowledge or opinion are there are things within the universe that we're unable to see which actually exist?[/b]
    How about the wind?
    We can see the results of the wind but normally not the wind itself.
    Holy Spirit (God's active force) has been likened to the wind.
  8. Standard memberRJHinds
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    22 Nov '15 08:313 edits
    Originally posted by roigam
    How about the wind?
    We can see the results of the wind but normally not the wind itself.
    Holy Spirit (God's active force) has been likened to the wind.
    The Holy Spirit is spoken of in scripture as "He", indicating a person, not just a force. In fact, the Holy Spirit has the qualities of a person indicating that He has a knowing mind with emotions and a will. The Holy Spirit is also said to be God in scripture and a Helper or Comforter sent by the Father at the request of Jesus, the Son of God.

    The Christian Church established the Doctrine of the Trinity to account for the fact that there is only one true God under one name, but spoken of as three persons, the Father, the Son or the Word, and the Holy Spirit.

    HalleluYaH !!!
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    22 Nov '15 18:50
    Originally posted by roigam
    How about the wind?
    We can see the results of the wind but normally not the wind itself.
    Holy Spirit (God's active force) has been likened to the wind.
    A drafty church causes much spiritual confusion.
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    22 Nov '15 19:243 edits
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The Holy Spirit is spoken of in scripture as "He", indicating a person, not just a force. In fact, the Holy Spirit has the qualities of a person indicating that He has a knowing mind with emotions and a will. The Holy Spirit is also said to be God in scripture and a Helper or Comforter sent by the Father at the request of Jesus, the Son of God.

    The Chr ...[text shortened]... he Son or the Word, and the Holy Spirit.

    HalleluYaH !!!
    Praise the LORD!
    Holy! Holy! Holy!
    Personification does not necessarily equate with being a real person. Ships are spoken of as being a she. Are you saying that we should think of a ship as a real person? yes then you slobber, no and your statement is slobber.

    Jesus never mentions the trinity and neither does any of the Bible writers. If it was so important one would think that he might have at least gave it a glancing look, but nooooo, not a single iota.

    Trinity is a pagan doctrine masquerading in the guise of Bible truth. Everyone knows that.
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    22 Nov '15 19:38
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Personification does not necessarily equate with being a real person. Ships are spoken of as being a she. Are you saying that we should think of a ship as a real person? yes then you slobber, no and your statement is slobber.

    Jesus never mentions the trinity and neither does any of the Bible writers. If it was so important one would think that h ...[text shortened]... .

    Trinity is a pagan doctrine masquerading in the guise of Bible truth. Everyone knows that.
    Robbie you are just parroting what your tribal elders have indoctrinated you with.
    And ships are called she because it is not the initial cost that breaks you but the upkeep oh and they hang around the buoys.
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    22 Nov '15 19:58
    Originally posted by Captain Strange
    Robbie you are just parroting what your tribal elders have indoctrinated you with.
    And ships are called she because it is not the initial cost that breaks you but the upkeep oh and they hang around the buoys.
    The fact of the matter is personification does not necessarily refer to a real person. I did not get this from anyone, its a product of my own mind. You drool!
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    22 Nov '15 20:49
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]One Simple Question

    Based upon your knowledge or opinion are there are things within the universe that we're unable to see which actually exist?[/b]
    God.
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    22 Nov '15 21:54
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Personification does not necessarily equate with being a real person. Ships are spoken of as being a she. Are you saying that we should think of a ship as a real person? yes then you slobber, no and your statement is slobber.

    Jesus never mentions the trinity and neither does any of the Bible writers. If it was so important one would think that h ...[text shortened]... .

    Trinity is a pagan doctrine masquerading in the guise of Bible truth. Everyone knows that.
    Yes, I understand that personification does not necessarily equate with being a real person. We could also say the Jesus' personification of God the Father does not necessarily equate with God being a real person, too. So we could just say Jesus is the only real person and God the Father and the Holy Spirit are just spiritual concepts.

    However, the normally accepted orthodox Christian belief is that there are three persons in one God. There seem to be enough evidence from scripture to support that view, in my opinion. The JW's view of a Big God named Jehovah and a little god that is also Michael the archangle, who became Jesus, is not very convincing to me.

    Besides there are so many JW beliefs at odds with the orthodox version of Christianity that it seems that it a stretch to even call JWs Christians, in my opinion.
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    23 Nov '15 05:06
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    God.
    The question clearly stated "within the universe". Unless you're a pantheist, God is not within the universe.
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