One World Religion

@fmf said
"Attempts to suppress reproduction"?

You mean policies aimed at addressing poverty by reducing the rate of population growth, right?

This isn't a persuasive line of argument.

We know that be believes there is a controversial goal, and that this goal would probably not be stated outright.

By bringing up the stated goal as how they said it, you aren't winning any points in the argument.

@fmf said
You sound very naive. I don't think I have ever met a "sceptic" who meets your description.

In the micro, no.

In the macro, yes.

The fact that people believe in democratic institutions at all is a sign of faith, IMO.

But it is hard to discuss these things because we have different starting assumptions.

@secondson said
At this time, as it has been occurring for over a century.

But especially now since 1948 with Israel back in the land, which is a monumental fulfillment of prophecy.

Guess which one.

Many people actually believe that the Old Testament pasasges about God gathering the people together before the end times refers to the Christians coming together into a single Church again.

St. Paul even says that the Old Covenant will disappear:

By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

The status of Jewish people is irrelevant becaus their relationship with God does not exist anymore, and whatever is happening in Israel is purely secular.

@philokalia said
This isn't a persuasive line of argument.

We know that be believes there is a controversial goal, and that this goal would probably not be stated outright.

He's just making stuff up. He won't even quote the text he's based his making-it-up on, despite being asked 3-4 times.

@philokalia said
In the micro, no.

In the macro, yes.

The fact that people believe in democratic institutions at all is a sign of faith, IMO.

But it is hard to discuss these things because we have different starting assumptions.

What you said about "sceptics" was complete nonsense.

@fmf said
He's just making stuff up. He won't even quote the text he's based his making-it-up on, despite being asked 3-4 times.

Give him some room. He's a very smart and great poster. Let him do his thing.

We love him and look forward to his posts!

@fmf said
What you said about "sceptics" was complete nonsense.

Many skeptics of conspiracy theories tend to have rose tinted glasses.

I think a lot of the evidence for this is how naive we were about the elites and their preying upon children.

@philokalia said
By bringing up the stated goal as how they said it, you aren't winning any points in the argument.

Look at the utter rubbish he has projected onto/extrapolated from the quote he offered on page 14. He's just making stuff up.

@philokalia said
Many skeptics of conspiracy theories tend to have rose tinted glasses.

I have never met one that fitted the daft description you offered a few posts ago.

@philokalia said
He's a very smart and great poster.

medullah?

@fmf said
medullah?

Yes, of course.

@philokalia said
The fact that people believe in democratic institutions at all is a sign of faith, IMO.

Move the goalposts, much?

Here's what you said: "Skeptics go too far by pretending that democracy is immutable and that everyone is just working for fair and transparent representation."

You're either being totally naive, or you are being dishonest.

@philokalia said
Yes, of course.

You mean in a way similar to how KellyJay was supposedly "one of the most intelligent and best writers on this forum"?

@fmf said
I have never met one that fitted the daft description you offered a few posts ago.

Alright, so do you think that the average person in 2014 believed that many elites were exploiting underage girls through Jeffrey Epstein and Ghyslaine Maxwell?

I think most people would have laughed at you for citing the various sources that brought forward this idea of Epstein and his mysterious island.

But a huge amount of people, including people like AOC who really is normally nowhere near these sorts of attitudes, now believe that Epstein really was a criminal. We even had a British Prince embarrass himself so badly in an interview over his contact with Epstein last month he has withdrawn entirely from his normal social life and routine just to avoid the blowback.

So, I think that, to some degree, the general population had been naive before.

We can even take this "Russia collusion" narrative and say that... Currently, one of the major American political parties is advancing the idea that the Russian President basically got our President elected. People are even stating that the current US PResident is in the pocket of the Russian President.

Who would have thought in 2014 that it was possible for an election to be stolen.

And check this out:

"Every expert, regardless of political party, regardless of ideology, conservative or liberal, who has ever examined these issues in a serious way will tell you that instances of significant voter fraud are not to be found," Obama said.

"There's no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America's elections," he said

https://www.wnd.com/2019/04/obama-in-2016-no-one-could-rig-elections/

@fmf said
Move the goalposts, much?

Here's what you said: "Skeptics go too far by pretending that democracy is immutable and that everyone is just working for fair and transparent representation."

You're either being totally naive, or you are being dishonest.

Do you believe that democracy works?

Does the average American or Briton have faith in the democratic processes of their country, and do they tend to believe that their institutions are stronger than corruption?

This would be a sign that everyone believes that democracy is basically immutable, wouldn't it? The system never breaks down or totally falls away, right.

adj.Not subject or susceptible to change.

(Immutable)
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=define+immutable&t=brave&ia=definition