15 Sep 06
Originally posted by mazziewagI also wonder if people laughed at him the first time he formulated it.
Im not saying God doesnt exist, but what the **** is up with this argument? god exists because we can DEFINE Him?" can someone make this credible to me, or reinforce my view that it is ridiculous please
maybe Anselm was having a bad day?
(and then put on a very serious face trying to find out where the hell is his formal mistake)
15 Sep 06
Originally posted by mazziewagThe concept that it is possible to DEFINE something that is by definition unknowable is what is rediculous.
Im not saying God doesnt exist, but what the **** is up with this argument? god exists because we can DEFINE Him?" can someone make this credible to me, or reinforce my view that it is ridiculous please
maybe Anselm was having a bad day?
15 Sep 06
Originally posted by lucifershammerThat's what I meant. I mean, do you know anyone who read it for the first time and the first reaction wasn't: what the hell?!?
Don't know really. He certainly goes on to use his definition of God to derive other attributes of God.
(Ok, without the profanity 😉)
15 Sep 06
Originally posted by PalynkaProbably not. It wasn't even well-received within the Church (Aquinas, for instance, was a notable critic).
That's what I meant. I mean, do you know anyone who read it for the first time and the first reaction wasn't: what the hell?!?
(Ok, without the profanity 😉)
15 Sep 06
Originally posted by lucifershammerAquinas, now there's an interesting scholar. Have you read his Summa Theologiae? Is his writing a heavy read or is it clear and fluent?
Probably not. It wasn't even well-received within the Church (Aquinas, for instance, was a notable critic).
I've been curious about it for a long time.
15 Sep 06
Originally posted by PalynkaProvided you're reasonably clear on your Aristotle and Plato, it's not particularly heavy.
Aquinas, now there's an interesting scholar. Have you read his Summa Theologiae? Is his writing a heavy read or is it clear and fluent?
I've been curious about it for a long time.
You can read the Summa online at
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/
16 Sep 06
Originally posted by mazziewagSome of the ontological arguments aren't that ridiculous. But I don't know too many people who think any of them are persuasive.
god exists because we can DEFINE Him?"
Check out the "Hegelian" ontological argument:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ontological-arguments/