Original Sin, what a disgusting concept.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
burden? where does Christ advocate killing anyone? please provide the reference.

doesnt he tell his followers to go and buy a sword when they are in danger?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
burden? where does Christ advocate killing anyone? please provide the reference.

It's in the bible, not christ specifically, you believe in the bible, you believe in 'original sin'. That makes your religion and ALL other religions that subscribe to that vile belief to be one I would NEVER be friends with. To condemn little children to a life of sin because of the supposed sins of Adam is reprehensible, a clear political move cleverly designed to capture weak and hold weak minds, people who can't think for themselves but just swallow the whole concept full blown, totally duped, totally brainwashed in to thinking they cannot even question religious dogma. To foist that one unsuspecting children's minds is reprehensible in the extreme. Sure, you end up with some nice acting robots but independent thinkers? Whack off that which your lord supposedly gave to humans in the first place, the ability to think. Ok, you can think about other stuff, but don't EVEN try to go against our brainwashing or you will be cast out to make your way in the world without our wonderful grace filled salvation.

Originally posted by sonhouse
It's in the bible, not christ specifically, you believe in the bible, you believe in 'original sin'. That makes your religion and ALL other religions that subscribe to that vile belief to be one I would NEVER be friends with. To condemn little children to a life of sin because of the supposed sins of Adam is reprehensible, a clear political move cleverly de ...[text shortened]... ll be cast out to make your way in the world without our wonderful grace filled salvation.

No I asked you where Christ advocated killing anyone, you could not answer because he has not advocated killing anyone. Lets give you another chance, can you find in the entire Greek scriptures which contain the very essence of the teaching of Christianity, where Christians receive counsel to kill other people.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Lets see, what about the inquisitions? What about the granting of indulgences? What about that little conflict called the Crusades? What about the killing in our century or last of the killing of abortion doctors based on religion, and that religion was christianity. What about the killing of entire civilizations in South America, the forced conversions to ...[text shortened]... cept nor Judaism. So it is on the mantle of the sects of christianity this terrible burden lies.

You have such a twisted view of history that it seems to be all tied up in knots so that you will probably never be able to unravel it on your own.

The abuses of the Inquisitions and the granting of indulgences were practices that true Christians spoke up against. The former catholic priest Martin Luther was the most famous to speak out against the granting of indulgances. There is nothing wrong with an inquiry to discover and remove heretics from the church.

The Inquisition was a group of institutions within the judicial system of the Roman Catholic Church whose aim was to combat heresy. Generally, the Inquisition was concerned only with the heretical behaviour of Catholic adherents or converts, and did not concern itself with those outside its jurisdiction, such as Jews or Muslims. In practice, the Inquisition would not itself pronounce sentence, but handed over convicted heretics to secular authorities for the punishment deemed fitting by the Church.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

These things got out of control due the fact that ungodly men had infiltrated the Church as Jude, the brother of James, warned about in his letter to the Christians.

"Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.

These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage.

(Jude 1:3-4, 10-11, 16 NKJV)

The apostle Paul and Christ also warned us that there would be ravenous wolves among Church leaders (Acts 20:29; Matthew 7:15).

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Invasion to conquer by the sword. The main purpose of the crusades was to stop the muslim invasion and to regain control of Jerusalem.

I could make a response to all these things you brought up with little effect on your beliefs about them, because your mind is too indoctrinated to believe anything but the lie that you wish to be true. The point is that it is really all just strawmen arguments and nothing more.

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
You have such a twisted view of history that it seems to be all tied up in knots so that you will probably never be able to unravel it on your own.

The abuses of the Inquisitions and the granting of indulgences were practices that true Christians spoke up against. The former catholic priest Martin Luther was the most famous to speak out against the grant ...[text shortened]... The point is that it is really all just strawmen arguments and nothing more.

The Instructor

All you are offering is apologetics and excuses. The fact is your so-called lord led your armies into warfare and ordered all to be killed because the enemy refused to be sycophants to your so-called lord.

The fact is, Paulists conducted religious war. Pure and simple. Thinking somehow that was ordained by their so-called god.

Fact is NONE of that was ordained by ANY god, the entire edifice was man made from day one in order to control an unruly population and to put women in their place, namely in the bedroom making male children. It is not for nothing it was codified in your bible that women are worth only 60% of men. That goes on to this day.

So do you consider your own wife to be worth only 60% of you?

Originally posted by sonhouse
All you are offering is apologetics and excuses. The fact is your so-called lord led your armies into warfare and ordered all to be killed because the enemy refused to be sycophants to your so-called lord.

The fact is, Paulists conducted religious war. Pure and simple. Thinking somehow that was ordained by their so-called god.

Fact is NONE of that w ...[text shortened]... men. That goes on to this day.

So do you consider your own wife to be worth only 60% of you?

when will you admit that Christianity does not teach killing anyone.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
when will you admit that Christianity does not teach killing anyone.

will you accept that punishing future generations because of the actions of one man is barbaric?

Originally posted by sonhouse
Among many other disgusting concepts of the abrahamic religions is 'original sin'. Nothing more and nothing less than introducing a permanent boogie man, an internal boogie man the believer can never be rid of, thus sewing him or her to some of the most disgusting religions ever spawned by men. And spawned by men they are, no god needed, just made up with v ...[text shortened]... of crap. The biggest bowl of utter viscous crap EVER inflicted on an unsuspecting public.

Genetic disorders are inherited from generation to generation.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
will you accept that punishing future generations because of the actions of one man is barbaric?

when will you accept that God has provided a way out.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
when will you accept hat God has provided a way out.

only at the end of this life, making this life a rather pointless lump of suffering for no reason. why not skip to the end?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
only at the end of this life, making this life a rather pointless lump of suffering for no reason. why not skip to the end?

dude, the possibilities.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
dude, the possibilities.

of?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
when will you accept that God has provided a way out.

When will you accept the idea that a real god would never have put us in such a terrible position? Where we have our choice of hell or being a sycophant of a god who needs constant ego stroking? It all just goes to prove nobody knows what a real god is like for real. All they did was imagine what those early writers THOUGHT they would think what a god SHOULD be like, according to their cultural norms, that is, women on a lower plane, about 30% down from men, in the bedroom and kitchen only, making children, and that child better be a male child or the wife is in physical danger. All of that codified in the bible. One thing I can say and will say to my dying day, no REAL god would set up such a sick system. A system where this supposed god, with alleged infinite power, would seek out sycophant nations which worship this sick so-called god. and that so-called god would call upon them to attack infidels, kill man woman and child because they reject this so-called god.

That is 100% anthropormorphism in action, early men, creative for sure, holding their finger up in the air, like testing for wind, trying to inject into their newly plagiarized religion, a hodge podge of other religions thousands of years older, injecting their version of what they thought a god SHOULD be like, which of course, matched up pretty well with what THEY were like, that is, controlling, putting women on a lower plane, not allowing them in the lives of male dominated religion and so forth. And on and on it goes for thousands of years.

Makes me sad for the state of maturity of the human race, which will NEVER become mature and peaceful as long as these opposing religions rule so many billions of people. It's a sad commentary on the 21st century those ancient anachronisms still exist in spite of all the scientific advances of the last 200 years.

Maybe in another 200 years the scientific proof against god will be so strong the amount of people so completely brainwashed by all this nonsense will become more and more minority to a point where religious wars are a thing of the past and we can get on with life without some constant reminder of the religious lives people live, lives whose activities limit themselves to their own little cult and not much contact with the outside world, the world of real people, real cultures totally different from the religious ones being forced down their throats, already forced down their throats like the reprehensible behavior of Muslims in Africa and Sudan as we speak, forcing conversions to Islam or the forced conversion to Christianity in South America a few hundred years ago or the forced conversions of Australian Aborigines in the last 200 years or the forced conversion of Eskimos and other native american tribes 200 years ago.

This is not a sign of a loving religion or religions, this is a sign the whole thing was inspired by men and only men for the control of men and to keep women barefoot and pregnant.

It was only a few decades ago in the so-called advanced state of the US that women were even allowed to vote.

And in Saudi Arabia, they cannot even get drivers licenses. And in Taliban controlled territories, Malala got shot for daring to suggest girls deserve to get an education.

Tell me that all came from a god. I dare you.

ALL this crap came from MEN from 3000 years ago and more and continues to this day.

A real god would metaphorically puke if it came down to Earth and saw all this religious carnage.

A real god would NEVER set up such a sick system that people would kill each other BECAUSE they are not in the right religion.

That much I firmly believe. If there is a god at all, that is.

The Psychology of Atheism

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Originally posted by sonship
[b]The Psychology of Atheism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJgKB2EQpoc[/b]

Yeah right, analyze atheism by a christian psychologist. First off, Ad Hominem is the 'argument' based on cutting down the opponent by calling him an assshole or some such.

And a BORN AGAIN christian psychologist.

How about all the BS in the fundamental make up of christianity, like 'man is made in god's image'. That alone tells me the whole edifice is made up by men to make themselves seem superior but what it is in reality is pretentious and arrogance. And then there is "original sin' which is reprehensible in ANY light. And then there is the assumption based on the bible that women are worth less than men, Leviticus 27/4 says it right out in the open, And God spoke to Moses Blah Blah Blah. Like a real god would place a value on a sex organ either plus or minus. That again SCREAMS man made, especially considering the religion was for the most part started by MEN. Gee, what an incredible co-incidence that the leaders of said religion just HAPPEN to be of the sex that has the higher value. BULLSHYTE. The whole thing is made up by men.

Which is not to say I think there could not be a god or gods. We only know a tiny portion of the universe and one cannot just say at our point in our rather primitive scientific level to say one way or the other about the possibility of a real god or gods.

We would not know a real god from just a way advanced being. Such a being could come down to Earth and establish itself as a god and just exactly how would you go about figuring out anything otherwise? The fact is you could not tell a god from an advanced being.

You also cannot tell something man made from something inspired by some god. One thing I think it safe to say, a real god would not make up a thousand religions each one at each others throats.

Your pet psychologist doesn't bring up any of that kind of thought does he? That would be because this is MY thought and no one's else's.

And OF COURSE you will be unmoved by my thoughts. I would expect nothing else.

That does not change the reality of the man made nature of your favorite religion, which btw, allows killing of those of other religions. Sure, that is a real sign of spirituality.