28 Apr '05 04:22>
scientists and theoreticians who are a lot smarter than i am say that the operational window for life as we know it is extremely small -- that is, if any of the main cosmological or physical constants (such as charge of an electron, gravitational constant, etc) were even slightly different, then carbon-based life would not be possible.
in this sense, the universe we live in seems remarkably fine-tuned for the existence of man.
i have seen the above bolded statement used to advance several different (competing) viewpoints:
1. the odds of such a finely tuned environment occurring by chance are so exceedingly small that it implies creationism and the existence of a divine creator.
2. it implies very little and does not imply creationism. this is because of the Anthropic Principle which roughly says 'If the conditions weren't suitable for life, then we wouldn't be asking why they are as they are' (these are Stephen Hawking's words from his Life in the Universe public lecture, http://www.hawking.org.uk/lectures/lindex.html).
in other words, the fact that man does exist in the universe implies that the conditions for man's existence are met, and therefore we should not be surprised at all that the universe is so finely tuned.
3. i'm not so clear on this argument, but some argue that it implies that man is actually the 'creator' of the universe because everything in the universe tends towards man, and because it is only man's observations that bring the universe into real existence. again, i'm not so sure i understand this position -- most of my knowledge on it comes from http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/design.shtml.
i was just wondering if any of you have an opinion on what the above bolded statement implies.
it seems that a creationist could use it to his advantage by invoking 1.), but at the same time, someone who didn't believe in creationism can evoke 2).
personally, i think it lends credence to creationism, but at the same time, i cannot ignore the self evidence of the Anthropic Principle.
Any thoughts?
in this sense, the universe we live in seems remarkably fine-tuned for the existence of man.
i have seen the above bolded statement used to advance several different (competing) viewpoints:
1. the odds of such a finely tuned environment occurring by chance are so exceedingly small that it implies creationism and the existence of a divine creator.
2. it implies very little and does not imply creationism. this is because of the Anthropic Principle which roughly says 'If the conditions weren't suitable for life, then we wouldn't be asking why they are as they are' (these are Stephen Hawking's words from his Life in the Universe public lecture, http://www.hawking.org.uk/lectures/lindex.html).
in other words, the fact that man does exist in the universe implies that the conditions for man's existence are met, and therefore we should not be surprised at all that the universe is so finely tuned.
3. i'm not so clear on this argument, but some argue that it implies that man is actually the 'creator' of the universe because everything in the universe tends towards man, and because it is only man's observations that bring the universe into real existence. again, i'm not so sure i understand this position -- most of my knowledge on it comes from http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/design.shtml.
i was just wondering if any of you have an opinion on what the above bolded statement implies.
it seems that a creationist could use it to his advantage by invoking 1.), but at the same time, someone who didn't believe in creationism can evoke 2).
personally, i think it lends credence to creationism, but at the same time, i cannot ignore the self evidence of the Anthropic Principle.
Any thoughts?