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    In a recent thread about "Worldview" I fell into a very evil mood. Some of the things I wrote I knew that I would have to give an account to Christ someday before His judgment seat.

    This thread will be about how to come forth and go on from failing as a Christian.

    First my apologies to all who had to read these things.

    I confess to Eader for calling him names.
    I hope he will forgive me.
    I called him a "lousy right winger".

    I may have offended Suzziana by flattering this Christian sister. I ask her for forgiveness for having to read these ill tempered remaks of mine.

    I apologize to any who had to read these ugly mooded remarks.

    Now, how does a Christian recover from real moral or spiritual failure? This is very important.
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    This should be considered the OP of this thread:

    Now, how does a Christian recover from real moral or spiritual failure? This is very important.
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    First, I would like to say that when a Christian fails she or he should not be too surprised. Satan will come in with accusation -

    "How can YOU be a follower of Jesus. Look what you just said. You better withdraw and not show your face around here anymore. What kind of witness of Jesus Christ are YOU ?"

    The Christian may be disappointed because he had too much trust in himself to begin with. He fails and cannot see HOW he could have been so wicked.

    You learn that YOU are surprised because you had trust in yourself. But before you were even born Jesus knew that you were a failure through and through.

    Thank God - towards God we have the relieving cleansing blood of Jesus.

    You Start your recovery with the application of the blood of Christ. Especially you need this to shut the mouth of the accusing Satan who always pounces on the failure to depress you under the drip, drip, drip of accusation.

    " If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)

    This is mainly a verse for Christians, for whom the problem of eternal redemption has already been solved forever. This is about failure ONCE one has become a follower of Jesus.

    It can be borrowed as a Gospel preaching verse for those freshly coming to the Gospel. But strictly speaking John is talking to people like me who have long been saved from eternal perdition already.
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    Originally posted by @sonship
    In a recent thread about "Worldview" I fell into a very evil mood. Some of the things I wrote I knew that I would have to give an account to Christ someday before His judgment seat.

    I confess to Eader for calling him names.
    I hope he will forgive me.
    I called him a "lousy right winger".
    This (about Eladar) is too funny.
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    Originally posted by @sonship
    In a recent thread about "Worldview" I fell into a very evil mood. Some of the things I wrote I knew that I would have to give an account to Christ someday before His judgment seat.

    This thread will be about how to come forth and go on from failing as a Christian.

    First my apologies to all who had to read these things.

    I confess to Eader for calli ...[text shortened]...
    Now, how does a Christian recover from real moral or spiritual failure? This is very important.
    I’m going to challenge you on this thread sonship, I think it’s a strawman.

    None of this stuff requires apologies and I think you are using straw-apologies in an attempt to give over an impression of humility, when the stuff you could (and I’m not saying you should) really be apologising for is still out there.

    Not impressed I’m afraid.
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    Originally posted by @sonship
    In a recent thread about "Worldview" I fell into a very evil mood. Some of the things I wrote I knew that I would have to give an account to Christ someday before His judgment seat.

    This thread will be about how to come forth and go on from failing as a Christian.

    First my apologies to all who had to read these things.

    I confess to Eader for calli ...[text shortened]...
    Now, how does a Christian recover from real moral or spiritual failure? This is very important.
    Come on sonship, at least take the time to spell their names correctly. (Eladar and Suzianne; not Eader and Suzziana).

    If you are genuine in your sentiment here, why not previously apologise to Rajk when you called him an idiot?! Will you also not have to give an account to Christ someday for those comments too?
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    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    If you are genuine in your sentiment here, why not previously apologise to Rajk when you called him an idiot?! Will you also not have to give an account to Christ someday for those comments too?


    This was not the first time I may have called a name. That is true.
    Though it is rare with me, I may have written someone was acting like or speaking like an idiot.

    I think that is what I recall with Rajk999.
    I knew that if I opened up a thread like this some poster would try to "Cash in" heavily by dragging out old and past posts of mine that they didn't like.

    I knew that a litany of other examples would be paraded out from years past - "What about THIS one sonship?? What about this OTHER thing here sonship?? NO confession on that one? What about the time you _______?"

    I expected many responses like this.
    This thread is not about me re-visiting all real or not real examples of me losing it. Sorry.

    Here is my concern, if not anyone else's.

    Now, how does a Christian recover from real moral or spiritual failure? This is very important.
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    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Come on sonship, at least take the time to spell their names correctly. (Eladar and Suzianne; not Eader and Suzziana).

    If you are genuine in your sentiment here, why not previously apologise to Rajk when you called him an idiot?! Will you also not have to give an account to Christ someday for those comments too?
    If you are genuine in your sentiment here, why not previously apologise to Rajk when you called him an idiot?! Will you also not have to give an account to Christ someday for those comments too?


    Rajk999, If I ever directly called you an idiot or a name of injury. I am sorry.

    You know that even Jesus and the Apostles sometimes had to use strong words. In Matthew 23 Jesus called the Pharisees and scribes some things in their opposition to His ministry.

    Duke underestimates how careful I am in my phrasing. I may recall saying that you were speaking like an "explicit undesireable". But if he is right and I said directly you were a name of indignity as to diminish you, I apologize.

    The purpose for me in this thread is helps to Christians on getting up and keeping on. We all will make failures and mistakes as followers of Jesus.
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    Originally posted by @sonship
    I knew that if I opened up a thread like this some poster would try to "Cash in" heavily by dragging out old and past posts of mine that they didn't like. I knew that a litany of other examples would be paraded out from years past - "What about THIS one sonship?? What about this OTHER thing here sonship?? NO confession on that one? What about the time you _______?" I expected many responses like this.
    Rather unsurprisingly, there's quite a strong whiff of your trademark vanity coming from this thread.
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    Originally posted by @divegeester
    This (about Eladar) is too funny.
    When in doubt, it is good to make amends.

    You see, my culture is democatic politics. I know this. And I know that it can color and taint my spiritual life. The danger is with people who do not realize it. That is they do not realize how easy it is for their culture and national philosophy to color their spiritual life.

    Since it is easy for me to feed people with just my politics rather than with Christ, I have learn to be careful not to react.

    My burden here, if not anyone else's. is HOW do you recover as a Christian from a lapse, a failure, a sinning or even a questionable ground given which can be construed by the enemies of the Gospel AS a failure.

    How to go on. That's what I am interested in.
    I can't really help it if some come with the attitude - "We don't want you to go on. We want you to stay wallowing there in self pity, guilt, defeat, and resigning."

    You cannot stay down. The Christian must get up under the cleansing blood of Christ. Shed two tears and KEEP MOVING!

    "For the righteous man falls seven times and rises up again, But the wicked are overthrown by calamity." (Proverbs 24:16)
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    Originally posted by @sonship
    When in doubt, it is good to make amends.

    You see, my culture is democatic politics. I know this. And I know that it can color and taint my spiritual life. The danger is with people who do not realize it. That is they do not realize how easy it is for their culture and national philosophy to color their spiritual life.

    Since it is easy for me to feed ...[text shortened]... and rises up again, But the wicked are overthrown by calamity." (Proverbs 24:16)
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    You would be infinitely better off in your “feeding people Christ” (or whatever nauseating phrase it was you used), if you stopped telling everyone that your version of Jesus will be burning them alive for eternity if they don’t manage to love him.
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    Originally posted by @fmf
    Rather unsurprisingly, there's quite a strong whiff of your trademark vanity coming from this thread.
    Get your customary toke in. Don't snort up too much in one sitting.

    This guy loves to get high on badness real or imagined.
    He rejoices in what is bad.

    In the old days when he was an evangelical Christian (supposedly) he may have been more along the line of First Corinthians 13:6 -

    "Love ... does not rejoice because of unrighteousness, ..."

    But then he saw the light of Atheism. The more wrong with his "former" Christian brothers he sees, the better.

    Moving on.
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    Q.E.D.
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    Originally posted by @divegeester
    You would be infinitely better off in your “feeding people Christ” (or whatever nauseating phrase it was you used), if you stopped telling everyone that your version of Jesus will be burning them alive for eternity if they don’t manage to love him.
    You would be infinitely better off in your “feeding people Christ” (or whatever nauseating phrase it was you used), if you stopped telling everyone that your version of Jesus will be burning them alive for eternity if they don’t manage to love him.


    Couple of responses here, though it is off the topic.

    Jesus told Peter three times after his BIG FAILURE ... "Get up, and FEED my sheep." This was a good example. Read about it in John 20. That's where the "nauseating" phrase probably came from.

    One of the tactics of Unitarian/Universalists and Annhilationists is to keep provoking believers. Then when they respond to why they believe something said in the word, then the UU/A retorts -

    "You see you LOVE to always talk about hell. You keep talking to people about this."

    The more you explain the more the UU/A will say that hell is the only thing you like to talk about.

    It is noted that I NEVER ... NEVER ... as far as I can see, got a good reply from Divegeester on why God (at least in some instances) told His people that concerning judgment their eye was not to pity.

    He couldn't seem to bring himself to the admition that in principle, at least on four occasions, the sense of pity was against His mind to punish.

    Anyway, this quickly morphing thread is not on that subject. It is on -

    Now, how does a Christian recover from real moral or spiritual failure? This is very important.
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    Originally posted by @sonship
    If you are genuine in your sentiment here, why not previously apologise to Rajk when you called him an idiot?! Will you also not have to give an account to Christ someday for those comments too?


    Rajk999, If I ever directly called you an idiot or a name of injury. I am sorry.

    You know that even Jesus and the Apostles sometimes had to u ...[text shortened]... ans on getting up and keeping on. We all will make failures and mistakes as followers of Jesus.
    I'm sure Rajk will appreciate that long overdue apology.

    To aid your memory (careful phrasing my foot) you directly called him an idiot. When I later reminded you of this (following some distinctly pompous thread on how Christians were above such insults) you challenged me to link to the post where you had made such a comment. When I promptly did so you replied that an apology may indeed be forthcoming. - Then followed a period of silence by you, and only after several reminders by myself did you resurface,....not to apologise for calling him an idiot, but to instead provide biblical support (as you have tried to do again here) as to why it is sometimes ok to be insulting.

    To be honest, the above behaviour makes this current thread by you difficult to take seriously.
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