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Originally posted by galveston75But, I know so!!!
Unbelieveable that anyone would fall for this stuff. Very, very sad. And this is the truth that sets ones free? I don't think so!!!!
Originally posted by RJHindsi am perfectly aware of what it is, it is not I that is having trouble with it, but you, for example, you have stated that it was used by cults (not mentioned), and that by inference its not widely accepted (another inaccuracy). Clearly its universally adopted indicating that you really dont know what you are talking about. Secondly, it mentions, as per the definition, three distinct entities, lets look at number five, eight, ten and thirteen, shall we.
You did not quote the Athanasian Creed.
The following is the Athanasian Creed
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1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;
2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish ...[text shortened]... e faithfully he cannot be saved.
That is the Athanasian Creed.
It says nothing about modes.
Originally posted by menace71with the small exception, that Paul, NEVER MENTIONED THE DOCTRINE! strange for a doctrine you think would be so important, why is that Manny, why would God not inspire Paul to make mention of a doctrine that is apparently sooo important?
Using the ideas and concepts the " philosophical thought" of a culture in and of itself does not negate the truthfulness of an idea. Paul did this very thing in his writings such as on Mars Hill. Otherwise we should just throw away 90% of the New Testament. All roads lead to Rome at that time and God knew this.
Manny
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWow, members of the SAME religion fighting. Amazing. Not surprising but amazing all the same, fighting over the differences in dogma but ignoring the similarities. Like the similarity of the entire concept of all the forms of christian faith being totally hilarious.
with the small exception, that Paul, NEVER MENTIONED THE DOCTRINE! strange for a doctrine you think would be so important, why is that Manny, why would God not inspire Paul to make mention of a doctrine that is apparently sooo important?
Originally posted by sonhousesigh, please consider these points
Wow, members of the SAME religion fighting. Amazing. Not surprising but amazing all the same, fighting over the differences in dogma but ignoring the similarities. Like the similarity of the entire concept of all the forms of christian faith being totally hilarious.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie1: You are fighting.
sigh, please consider these points
1. we are not fighting
2. we are not members of the same religion
3. this is not my religious dogma
4. your inability to state anything with accuracy with regard to any religious expression being prejudiced by your materialism, which, in itself is absolutely useless in imparting spiritual knowledge the demonst ...[text shortened]... you regard it as panacea for all. That is hilarious. But if it makes you happy, then so be it.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI pointed out that the definition you gave for the Trinity was not the
i am perfectly aware of what it is, it is not I that is having trouble with it, but you, for example, you have stated that it was used by cults (not mentioned), and that by inference its not widely accepted (another inaccuracy). Clearly its universally adopted indicating that you really dont know what you are talking about. Secondly, it mentions, a ...[text shortened]... religions, expressed in Greek Philosophical terms not found in scripture and misapplied to God.
Originally posted by RJHindsthen either you cannot read or have trouble understanding what you read. It has been pointed out with reference how ludicrous your claims are.
I pointed out that the definition you gave for the Trinity was not the
Trinity Doctrine but Modalism or Sebellianism name after Sebellius
who proposed it. This Modelism is used in the place of the Trinity in
some cults. See the following link to the Wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabellianism
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat claims in specific are you talking about. And wha did you point out
then either you cannot read or have trouble understanding what you read. It has been pointed out with reference how ludicrous your claims are.
Originally posted by RJHindswhat you think and what truth is are two distinct propositions, i resent your defamatory claims of dishonesty and i have provided ample evidence that my definition of the trinity is as set out by the Athanasian Creed, your vain and quite frankly scurrilous attempts to deny this, in the face of incontrovertible evidence are naught but a sham. But then again, so is the trinity. If you have anything to say, you may address, these unanswered points,
What claims in specific are you talking about. And wha did you point out
was ludicrous about each claim. I am of the opinion that it is you that is
having trouble understanding what you read or else you are being
dishonest again.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie3. It was assimilated through Helenistic philosophy, itself a manifestation of earlier religions, expressed in Greek Philosophical terms not found in scripture and misapplied to God.
what you think and what truth is are two distinct propositions, i resent your defamatory claims of dishonesty and i have provided ample evidence that my definition of the trinity is as set out by the Athanasian Creed, your vain and quite frankly scurrilous attempts to deny this, in the face of incontrovertible evidence are naught but a sham. But th ...[text shortened]... religions, expressed in Greek Philosophical terms not found in scripture and misapplied to God.