Originally posted by KellyJay Neither, I said it happens I wasn't pointing to an amount here or else where.
Do you mean to say that when you stated this: "what I see is a very clear picture that it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, they will remain one" what you actually meant was "it happens"? Is that what you are now saying you meant?
Originally posted by FMF Do you mean to say that when you stated this: [b]"what I see is a very clear picture that it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, they will remain one" what you actually meant was "it happens"? Is that what you are now saying you meant?[/b]
I said what, what I said, it isn't changing. It does not matter what you do to
a fool, answer them or not it isn't going to change. Examples can be found
here, and else where, that does not mean that everyone here and else where
are fools.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJay I said what, what I said, it isn't changing. It does not matter what you do to a fool, answer them or not it isn't going to change. Examples can be found here, and else where, that does not mean that everyone here and else where are fools.
No one is saying that "everyone here and else where are fools" and no one is claiming you are saying that. What I am asking you about is whether a "fool" can change. Can a fool not be taught to overcome his foolishness? Can it be overcome through guidance? Can a fool not be shown or changed through example or leadership? You said "It does not matter what you do to a fool, answer them or not it isn't going to change." This is in direct contradiction of what the bible says, isn't it?
Originally posted by FMF No one is saying that "everyone here and else where are fools" and no one is claiming you are saying that. What I am asking you about is whether a "fool" can change. Can a fool not be taught to overcome his foolishness? Can it be overcome through guidance? Can a fool not be shown or changed through example or leadership? You said "It does not matter what you do ...[text shortened]... not it isn't going to change." This is in direct contradiction of what the bible says, isn't it?
With God it is possible, scripture teaches us that if we go to God and ask for
wisdom He gives it. With man alone, I'd say you get what you get.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJay With God it is possible, scripture teaches us that if we go to God and ask for wisdom He gives it. With man alone, I'd say you get what you get.
So you're saying people cannot change? Not even if they grow up? Not even if they knuckle down? Hit the books? Turn over a new leaf? Get their act together? Not even if the wisen up?
Originally posted by KellyJay With God it is possible, scripture teaches us that if we go to God and ask for
wisdom He gives it. With man alone, I'd say you get what you get.
Kelly
Prov 13:20 He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.
Originally posted by FMF So you're saying people cannot change? Not even if they grow up? Not even if they knuckle down? Hit the books? Turn over a new leaf? Get their act together? Not even if the wisen up?
If you seek wisdom, you can find it, but those that don't think they need to
will not. We are admonished to seek it, as we are admonished to seek God,
and the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Turning over a new leaf, or
changing one's ways, repenting are things we are all called to do. Those that
refuse to do such things, well....they are what they are.
Kelly
Originally posted by FMF So you're saying people cannot change? Not even if they grow up? Not even if they knuckle down? Hit the books? Turn over a new leaf? Get their act together? Not even if the wisen up?
I'm NOT saying people cannot change, just that some will not want to no
matter what! The definition of someone who isn't a fool would be those that
are willing alter their way of thinking, that are willing to change, grow in
knowledge and so on. If they were willing to do that, than they don't meet
the definition being a fool now would they?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJay If you seek wisdom, you can find it, but those that don't think they need to will not. We are admonished to seek it, as we are admonished to seek God, and the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Turning over a new leaf, or changing one's ways, repenting are things we are all called to do. Those that refuse to do such things, well....they are what they are.
Kelly
So when you said "what I see is a very clear picture that it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, they will remain one", it wasn't what you meant? You meant something else? Is that it?
Originally posted by KellyJay I'm NOT saying people cannot change, just that some will not want to no
matter what! The definition of someone who isn't a fool would be those that
are willing alter their way of thinking, that are willing to change, grow in
knowledge and so on. If they were willing to do that, than they don't meet
the definition being a fool now would they?
So we do not know if someone is a fool until they have spent their whole life a fool, is that what you mean?
Originally posted by KellyJay I'm NOT saying people cannot change, just that some will not want to no
matter what!
So, when you said "what I see is a very clear picture that it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, they will remain one", what you actually meant was "what I see is a very clear picture that it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, some will remain one", have I understood you correctly?
Originally posted by FMF So when you said "what I see is a very clear picture that it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, they will remain one", it wasn't what you meant? You meant something else? Is that it?
When you confront a fool, what I said I believe, and it is what I meant. Who
you think I'm talking about may not be. I'm also done repeating myself with
you too on this topic.
Kelly
02 May '14 07:101 edit
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