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Originally posted by KellyJayDo you mean to say that when you stated this: "what I see is a very clear picture that it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, they will remain one" what you actually meant was "it happens"? Is that what you are now saying you meant?
Neither, I said it happens I wasn't pointing to an amount here or else where.
Originally posted by FMFI said what, what I said, it isn't changing. It does not matter what you do to
Do you mean to say that when you stated this: [b]"what I see is a very clear picture that it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, they will remain one" what you actually meant was "it happens"? Is that what you are now saying you meant?[/b]
a fool, answer them or not it isn't going to change. Examples can be found
here, and else where, that does not mean that everyone here and else where
are fools.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayNo one is saying that "everyone here and else where are fools" and no one is claiming you are saying that. What I am asking you about is whether a "fool" can change. Can a fool not be taught to overcome his foolishness? Can it be overcome through guidance? Can a fool not be shown or changed through example or leadership? You said "It does not matter what you do to a fool, answer them or not it isn't going to change." This is in direct contradiction of what the bible says, isn't it?
I said what, what I said, it isn't changing. It does not matter what you do to a fool, answer them or not it isn't going to change. Examples can be found here, and else where, that does not mean that everyone here and else where are fools.
Originally posted by FMFWith God it is possible, scripture teaches us that if we go to God and ask for
No one is saying that "everyone here and else where are fools" and no one is claiming you are saying that. What I am asking you about is whether a "fool" can change. Can a fool not be taught to overcome his foolishness? Can it be overcome through guidance? Can a fool not be shown or changed through example or leadership? You said "It does not matter what you do ...[text shortened]... not it isn't going to change." This is in direct contradiction of what the bible says, isn't it?
wisdom He gives it. With man alone, I'd say you get what you get.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJaySo you're saying people cannot change? Not even if they grow up? Not even if they knuckle down? Hit the books? Turn over a new leaf? Get their act together? Not even if the wisen up?
With God it is possible, scripture teaches us that if we go to God and ask for wisdom He gives it. With man alone, I'd say you get what you get.
Originally posted by FMFIf you seek wisdom, you can find it, but those that don't think they need to
So you're saying people cannot change? Not even if they grow up? Not even if they knuckle down? Hit the books? Turn over a new leaf? Get their act together? Not even if the wisen up?
will not. We are admonished to seek it, as we are admonished to seek God,
and the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Turning over a new leaf, or
changing one's ways, repenting are things we are all called to do. Those that
refuse to do such things, well....they are what they are.
Kelly
Originally posted by FMFI'm NOT saying people cannot change, just that some will not want to no
So you're saying people cannot change? Not even if they grow up? Not even if they knuckle down? Hit the books? Turn over a new leaf? Get their act together? Not even if the wisen up?
matter what! The definition of someone who isn't a fool would be those that
are willing alter their way of thinking, that are willing to change, grow in
knowledge and so on. If they were willing to do that, than they don't meet
the definition being a fool now would they?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaySo when you said "what I see is a very clear picture that it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, they will remain one", it wasn't what you meant? You meant something else? Is that it?
If you seek wisdom, you can find it, but those that don't think they need to will not. We are admonished to seek it, as we are admonished to seek God, and the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Turning over a new leaf, or changing one's ways, repenting are things we are all called to do. Those that refuse to do such things, well....they are what they are.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaySo we do not know if someone is a fool until they have spent their whole life a fool, is that what you mean?
I'm NOT saying people cannot change, just that some will not want to no
matter what! The definition of someone who isn't a fool would be those that
are willing alter their way of thinking, that are willing to change, grow in
knowledge and so on. If they were willing to do that, than they don't meet
the definition being a fool now would they?
Originally posted by KellyJaySo, when you said "what I see is a very clear picture that it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, they will remain one", what you actually meant was "what I see is a very clear picture that it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, some will remain one", have I understood you correctly?
I'm NOT saying people cannot change, just that some will not want to no
matter what!
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Originally posted by FMFWhen you confront a fool, what I said I believe, and it is what I meant. Who
So when you said "what I see is a very clear picture that it doesn't matter what you do to a fool, they will remain one", it wasn't what you meant? You meant something else? Is that it?
you think I'm talking about may not be. I'm also done repeating myself with
you too on this topic.
Kelly