Originally posted by checkbaiter
This is why I always promote the bible. Anyone can say what they want, and some will follow if it sounds interesting enough. On the flip side there are just as many that trash the bible but don't reveal their sources to back up their trash talk,ie., it is unreliable.
Then I have to stop and think, perhaps what they read or heard concerning the bible( w ...[text shortened]... the Lord endures forever." Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you.
I guess what I am driving at is whether people can build a society
without the need of 'bibles' but have enough inner strength to wend
their own ways through the vissitudes of daily life.
We all know the results of simply legistlating religion to be illegal,
I.E. Communist china,etc. It seems people will make new religions
if the old ones disappear for whatever reason.
My thinking is this kind of behavior is ultimately harmful to society in
that it inhibits further real spiritual growth if indeed such a thing as
real spiritual growth is possible. It might be there is a center in our
brains hard-wiring us to religious convictions. If so, my story line would
be totally convoluted in my attempt to find a way to a society that can
rely on its inner strength and not have to continually referance an
external supernatural being, something I have rebelled against since
I was 8 years old.
If the hard wire idea is correct then it may take an evolutionary step
to make us able to deal with life on our own power. Of course the
religious among you would call such a developement, engineered by
man or a result of evolution (something a lot of religious people would
deny out of hand in the first place) abominable.
I don't think that would be abominable at all. I think we grow in such
a way as to unlock whatever there is to unlock in our incomprehesible
universe without resorting to constant reference to an imagined god.
And of course the religious among you would defend to the death
the idea that it could be any other way. This is what I want to prove
possible. I imagine I am not the first to think this way, which is an
understatement, more of an admission I have not done my homework
to find other work of this kind. I am sure it must be out there, if
anyone knows about such speculation and where such speculation
might lead, please let me know. I would like to study such and see if
I can twist it to my own ends in my story line.
Religious people are going to believe what they will and I would not
nor could not change anyones mind about that. What I fervently wish
is a way to advance the human race or at least a colony of the human
race to go beyond religion.
The various levels of atheism seem to point to the idea they believe
not that there is no god but such a being is highly unlikely.
And I assume by extension, that supernatural phenomena are by their
very definition not supernatural at all but if they exist they are part
of the natural course of events in our universe. I think there is
evidence of that already, not from anecdotal ghost stories or such but
from solid astronomy. I am referring to the 'dark matter' embedded in
our universe of solid matter, or rather it may be the other way around,
since our kind of matter is in a large minority considering the
staggering amount of 'dark matter' in our and most other galaxies.
This stuff could be the source of 'supernatural' phenomena.
Of course what I am saying is total speculation, you hear that, people?
SPECULATION only. But what if that dark matter is a kind of mirror
universe or say the other half of what is evident in our universe,
a kind of doppleganger universe stuck to ours by gravity?
It could be there are dark matter stars, planets, life, people (probably
much unlike us) and maybe forces that connect us. If so it could
explain a lot of what we call supernatural. For instance suppose there
are really 'souls', some kind of organized energy representing each
one of us and it somehow makes it over to the other side, the dark
matter universe. It could be the repository of 'spirit energy' the
stuff of shamanism. I think it very worthwhile to pursue this possiblity
of scientifically digging into the heart of this dark matter and prove
one way or another my theory about it. I think it will become a subject
for deeper purusal as time goes on when the instrumentation allows it.
I think eventually it will be figured out just exactly what dark matter is
but one thing for sure, its a whole universe of stuff that doesn't seem
to react much with anything in OUR universe and that alone seems
suspicious to me.
All of which may or may not have anything to do with the possiblity of
a completely self powered society. The religious will of course
denigrate that with the moniker 'Godless'. That is precisely what I am
after, a society that can stand on its own two feet without the need
for prognosticators, interpreters of the "True God" and such.
Why would we need all that if we were strong enough internally to
be able to govern our own lives without it? Maybe I am dreaming
an impossible dream but I will dream it nonetheless.