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    07 Mar '13 10:23
    ive been told by many posters of the christian variety, that god/jesus is perfect.


    what exactly does this mean? is it possible to be perfect? to be universally perfect would every thing you say and do be need to be judged as the best thing by everybody?

    so if god does x do all the people in the world need to think x is perfect for it to be perfect? if not how do we determine perfection.


    (im off to try and make a perfect cup of tea if its possible)
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    07 Mar '13 16:16
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    ive been told by many posters of the christian variety, that god/jesus is perfect.


    what exactly does this mean? is it possible to be perfect? to be universally perfect would every thing you say and do be need to be judged as the best thing by everybody?

    so if god does x do all the people in the world need to think x is perfect for it to be perf ...[text shortened]... w do we determine perfection.


    (im off to try and make a perfect cup of tea if its possible)
    All men have sinned. Sinners cannot judge God. That's preposterous.
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    07 Mar '13 16:22
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    All men have sinned. Sinners cannot judge God. That's preposterous.
    do you believe god is perfect?
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    07 Mar '13 16:27
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    All men have sinned. Sinners cannot judge God. That's preposterous.
    You therefore cannot judge him perfect, so don't ever tell that lie again.
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    07 Mar '13 17:02
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    1. All men have sinned.
    2. Sinners cannot judge God.
    3. That's preposterous.
    1. Do you know all men?

    2. Why not?

    3. Not as much as religion.
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    07 Mar '13 18:34
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    You therefore cannot judge him perfect, so don't ever tell that lie again.
    God has already judged Himself, so who are we to say differently. 😏

    HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
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    07 Mar '13 19:24
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    ive been told by many posters of the christian variety, that god/jesus is perfect.


    what exactly does this mean? is it possible to be perfect? to be universally perfect would every thing you say and do be need to be judged as the best thing by everybody?

    so if god does x do all the people in the world need to think x is perfect for it to be perf ...[text shortened]... w do we determine perfection.


    (im off to try and make a perfect cup of tea if its possible)
    Unlimited possibilities without predetermination?
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    07 Mar '13 19:58
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    God has already judged Himself, so who are we to say differently. 😏

    HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
    is he physically perfect?
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    10 Mar '13 23:35
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    do you believe god is perfect?
    of course.
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    10 Mar '13 23:47
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    1. Do you know all men?

    2. Why not?

    3. Not as much as religion.
    1. No. But all men have sinned, except our Lord Jesus Christ.

    2. Sinners cannot judge God because God has no peer, especially among sinners. All sinners have some sort of ax to grind and so are incapable of judging without bias.

    3. At least Religion has a productive purpose. Worship of a righteous Creator. Comfort to the needy, sick and downtrodden. Hope in a future free of the debilitating effects of sin. A reminder that evil should be contested.
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    10 Mar '13 23:49
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    You therefore cannot judge him perfect, so don't ever tell that lie again.
    What lie was that again?

    Sorry if I missed that a lie was told.
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    10 Mar '13 23:58
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    What lie was that again?

    Sorry if I missed that a lie was told.
    you said 'sinners cannot judge god' so therefore you cannot say god is perfect, as it would be a judgement. you therefore cannot have any self made opinions of god, you can only repeat what he says about himself, any attempt to think fore yourself about god would result in a personal judgement of god.
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    10 Mar '13 23:59
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    of course.
    could a perfect being resolve any situation perfectly?
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    11 Mar '13 00:17
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    could a perfect being resolve any situation perfectly?
    I think I see where you're going, but I'll say yes anyways.
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    11 Mar '13 00:35
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    you said 'sinners cannot judge god' so therefore you cannot say god is perfect, as it would be a judgement. you therefore cannot have any self made opinions of god, you can only repeat what he says about himself, any attempt to think fore yourself about god would result in a personal judgement of god.
    Sinners cannot judge God, yes, that's true.

    Is giving my opinion "judging"?

    While you could argue that a judgement is an opinion, the act of judging comes from someone who has authority or qualification to do so. It is authorized, official, and/or authoritative.

    My opinion is not "judging".

    judge

    noun
    1. a public officer authorized to hear and decide cases in a court of law; a magistrate charged with the administration of justice.
    2. a person appointed to decide in any competition, contest, or matter at issue; authorized arbiter: the judges of a beauty contest.
    3. a person qualified to pass a critical judgment: a good judge of horses.
    4. an administrative head of Israel in the period between the death of Joshua and the accession to the throne by Saul.
    5. (especially in rural areas) a county official with supervisory duties, often employed part-time or on an honorary basis.

    verb (used with object)
    6. to pass legal judgment on; pass sentence on (a person): The court judged him guilty.
    7. to hear evidence or legal arguments in (a case) in order to pass judgment; adjudicate; try: The Supreme Court is judging that case.
    8. to form a judgment or opinion of; decide upon critically: You can't judge a book by its cover.
    9. to decide or settle authoritatively; adjudge: The censor judged the book obscene and forbade its sale.
    10. to infer, think, or hold as an opinion; conclude about or assess: He judged her to be correct.
    11. to make a careful guess about; estimate: We judged the distance to be about four miles.
    12. (of the ancient hebrew judges) to govern.

    verb (used without object)
    13. to act as a judge; pass judgment: No one would judge between us.
    14. to form an opinion or estimate: I have heard the evidence and will judge accordingly.
    15. to make a mental judgment.

    I say God is perfect because the Bible tells me so; that is my authority. It is part of my faith.
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