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@rajk999 saidDo you believe that an atheist (for example) that does good works is a child of God?
Of course there is. The church is just a building. Religion is an organisation of men.
There are two kinds of people in the world - children of God and children of the Devil. One does righteousness and the other does evil.
@dj2becker saidYou started back with the cross questioning as if I were on a witness stand and you are a lawyer. You already asked that and I already answered. Move along.
Do you believe that an atheist (for example) that does good works is a child of God?
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@dj2becker saidRajk?
By the way where do the gospels state that the 12 disciples were chosen and predestined for a specific purpose and that Judas was chosen to betray Jesus?
Or are you referring to the gospel according to Rajk again?
@bigdoggproblem saidMore than a few see the damage that they have done that fills them with regret after the fact.
I think Judas gets an over-bad rap. If he truly cared only about money, and not about Jesus' fate, then why would he commit suicide? It makes no sense.
@bigdoggproblem saidYeah. Something does not add up there
I think Judas gets an over-bad rap. If he truly cared only about money, and not about Jesus' fate, then why would he commit suicide? It makes no sense.
@dj2becker saidThis one applies to Judas
Rajk?
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: (Acts 2:22-23 KJV)
Paul also spoke of the Apostles predestined and chosen for a purpose by God
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@rajk999 saidI still believe Judas had a choice but God knew what he would choose. Foreknowledge is not predestination. I thought you said the writing of Paul was merely for entertainment purposes?
This one applies to Judas
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: (Acts 2:22-23 KJV)
Paul also spoke of the Apostles predestined and chosen for a purpose by God
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@dj2becker saidYes it is. There is no requirement to know all these details for entry into the Kingdom of God. Knowledge does not count. Good works and righteousness is the only requirement. Christ will judge [before you ask me again].
I still believe Judas had a choice but God knew what he would choose. Foreknowledge is not predestination. I thought you said the writing of Paul was merely for entertainment purposes?
If God knew in advance the outcome, and Jesus chose Judas then it was predestination.
@bigdoggproblem saidI would say that he probably realized later the seriousness of what he had done.
I think Judas gets an over-bad rap. If he truly cared only about money, and not about Jesus' fate, then why would he commit suicide? It makes no sense.
So did Judas Iscariot commit an unforgivable sin?
Yes, he did. His greed moved him to steal money that had been donated for a sacred use. He even pretended to be concerned about the poor when his real interest was to acquire more money to steal. (John 12:4-8)
Once Judas’ heart had become permanently set in doing wrong, he betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. Jesus knew that Judas could never truly repent for what he had done, and he called him “the son of destruction.” (John 17:12)
This meant that when Judas died, he would suffer permanent destruction, with no hope for a resurrection.—Mark 14:21.
Judas did not show true repentance for his sin. He confessed, not to God, but to the religious leaders he had conspired with.—Matthew 27:3-5; 2 Corinthians 7:10.
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@galveston75 saidThis is another example of deceit. You post a comment, quote a scripture that bears no resemblance to what you said.
I would say that he probably realized later the seriousness of what he had done.
So did Judas Iscariot commit an unforgivable sin?
Yes, he did. His greed moved him to steal money that had been donated for a sacred use. He even pretended to be concerned about the poor when his real interest was to acquire more money to steal. (John 12:4-8)
Once Judas’ heart had bec ...[text shortened]... t to God, but to the religious leaders he had conspired with.—Matthew 27:3-5; 2 Corinthians 7:10.
You said this :
This meant that when Judas died,
he would suffer permanent destruction,
with no hope for a resurrection.—
Mark 14:21.
Here is what Mark 14:21 says
The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him:
but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed!
good were it for that man if he had never been born.
(Mark 14:21 KJV)
Where is the no hope for a resurrection? The bible says in clear language
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (John 5:28-29 KJV)
@rajk999 saidLol. It is actually beyond hilarious of how lost, blind and ignorant you truly are. This is both so sad and awesome dude.... Keep the laughs coming.
This is another example of deceit. You post a comment, quote a scripture that bears no resemblance to what you said.
You said this :
This meant that when Judas died,
he would suffer permanent destruction,
with no hope for a resurrection.—
Mark 14:21.
Here is what Mark 14:21 says
The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him:
but woe to that m ...[text shortened]... ife; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (John 5:28-29 KJV)
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@galveston75 saidYou are laughing because the Watchtower did not tell you about that passage in John.
Lol. It is actually beyond hilarious of how lost, blind and ignorant you truly are. This is both so sad and awesome dude.... Keep the laughs coming.
Those who do evil will be resurrected. Those are the words of Christ. The blind and ignorant is you.
@bigdoggproblem saidYes indeed. No sense at all.
I think Judas gets an over-bad rap. If he truly cared only about money, and not about Jesus' fate, then why would he commit suicide? It makes no sense.
But don't you enjoy seeing Christians demonize someone who was an integral cog in their whole belief system ? Take out the Judas story and what have you got ?