1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    05 Dec '11 11:182 edits
    EP)------------------>[t...]------------------------------------------------------------>(EF


    Picture that or this...


    .me
  2. Standard memberRJHinds
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    05 Dec '11 13:04
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]EP)------------------>[t...]------------------------------------------------------------>(EF


    Picture that or this...


    .me[/b]
    I know. Discuss.
  3. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    05 Dec '11 13:48
    t = time.
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    05 Dec '11 15:08
    E = extreme. 🙁

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  5. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    05 Dec '11 15:56
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby

    t = time.
    [t...] brackets = limited, finite as opposed to neverending or infinite.
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    05 Dec '11 16:19
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b][t...] brackets = limited, finite as opposed to neverending or infinite. [/b]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternity
    I suggest the term "eternity" for what is other than [t...].

    The existence of a god would include existence in (or during or at) [t...] but not separately than its existence in E. This is more or less because [t...] has existence in or at (but not during) E. It is not during E, because E has no duration, no passage of time.

    "While in the popular mind, eternity (or foreverness) often simply means existence for a limitless amount of time, many have used it to refer to a timeless existence altogether outside time. By contrast, infinite temporal existence is then called sempiternity. Something eternal exists outside time; by contrast, something sempiternal exists throughout an infinite time. Sempiternity is also known as everlastingness.[1]"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternity
  7. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    05 Dec '11 17:09
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby

    t = time.

    [t...] brackets = limited, finite as opposed to neverending or infinite.

    .....................................

    EP) = Eternity Past
  8. Standard memberRJHinds
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby

    t = time.

    [t...] brackets = limited, finite as opposed to neverending or infinite.

    .....................................

    [b]EP) = Eternity Past
    [/b]
    So the short length of t, time seems to indicate the existence of the created
    heavens and earth is very short in comparison to all eternity, even though it
    may seem very long to our extremely short life within time. Is that the idea
    of the graph?
  9. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    05 Dec '11 17:35
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    So the short length of t, time seems to indicate the existence of the created
    heavens and earth isvery short in comparison to all eternity, even though it
    may seemvery long to our extremely short life within time. Is that the idea
    of the the graph?
    The creation of the heavens and earth (as well as the creation of angelic beings) took place well before and was already

    in place at the creation of Adam and Eve in the Garden when God wound the big clock on the wall and started it ticking.
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    05 Dec '11 17:39
    ETERNITY PAST)------------>[time/human history]------------------------------------------------->(ETERNITY FUTURE


    Picture that or this...


    .me


    .................................
  11. Standard memberRJHinds
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    The creation of the heavens and earth (as well as the creation of angelic beings) took place well before and was already

    in place at the creation of Adam and Eve in the Garden when God wound the big clock on the wall and started it ticking.
    Maybe, I do not understand. Are you saying the heavens and the earth
    were created before time began instead of at the beginning of time?
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    05 Dec '11 17:44
    Originally posted by JS357
    The existence of a god would include existence in (or during or at) [t...] but not separately than its existence in E. This is more or less because [t...] has existence in or at (but not during) E. It is not during E, because E has no duration, no passage of time.
    The problem with things that are eternal as in 'outside of time' is that they are static as far as we are concerned. God as described in most religions is not static and is therefore at least in part, not eternal.
  13. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    05 Dec '11 17:48
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Maybe, I do not understand. Are you saying the heavens and the earth
    were created before time began instead of at the beginning of time?
    Yes, long before God's Perfect Plan called for mankind to enter stage left.
  14. Standard memberRJHinds
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    05 Dec '11 17:49
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    The problem with things that are eternal as in 'outside of time' is that they are static as far as we are concerned. God as described in most religions is not static and is therefore at least in part, not eternal.
    The holy Bible says God does not change. What does that mean to you?
  15. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    05 Dec '11 17:50
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    The problem with things that are eternal as in 'outside of time' is that they are static as far as we are concerned. God as described in most religions is not static and is therefore at least in part, not eternal.
    The problem with things that are eternal as in 'outside of time' is that they are static as far as WE are concerned. God as described in most religions is not static and is therefore at least in part, not eternal.
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