1. Standard memberDasa
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    The Jesus story has been around the block before.

    Of the following (semi) deities, legends went around that they were born of a virgin: had birthdays on the 25th of Dec: performed miracles: had 12 disciples: fed the multitudes: were called the savour: were also called the light of man: died and resurrected on the 3rd day etc

    Augustus (his father was the god Apollo) Agdistis Attis
    Adonis Buddha Dionysus
    Korybas Krishna Mithras
    Osirus Perseus Romulus and Remus
    Tammuz Zoroaster Jesus

    So basically, all the pagan religions were alike, including Christianity. It just happens that one of them got the ascendancy, and became the most powerful, and did its best to wipe out all the others. In addition to a lack of historical support, many characteristics of Jesus, which Christians today believe in, are undeniably similar or identical to religious trends and beliefs that preceded Christianity. There are tens of accounts of pagan gods of many different cultures who were said to have the same attributes as those that Christians claim Jesus had. A brief review of some of these may lead to some interesting questions concerning the originality of the Christian claim:

    ATTIS - Phrygia: Born of the virgin Nana on December 25. He was both the Father and the Divine Son. He was a savior crucified on a tree for the salvation of mankind. He was buried but on the third day the priests found the tomb empty -- He had arisen from the dead (on March 25th). He followers were baptized in blood, thereby washing away their sins -- after which they declared themselves "born again." His followers ate a sacred meal of bread, which they believed became the body of the savoir.

    BUDDIAH – INDIA: Born of the Virgin Maya on December 25th. He was announced by a star and attended by wise men presenting costly gifts. At birth angles sing heavenly songs. He taught in temple at age 12. Tempted by Mara, the Evil One (Satan), while fasting. He was baptized in water with the Spirit of God present. Buddiah healed the sick and fed 500 from a small basket of cakes and even walked on water. He came to fulfill the law and preached the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness and obliged followers to poverty and to renounce the world. He transfigured on a mount. Died (on a cross, in some traditions), buried but arose again after tomb opened by supernatural powers. Ascended into heaven (Nirvana). Will return in later days to judge the dead. Buddiah was called: "Good Shepherd," "Carpenter," "Alpha and Omega," "Sin Bearer," "Master," "Light of the World," "Redeemer," etc.

    DIONYSUS - GREECE: Born of a Virgin on December 25th, placed in a manger. He was a traveling teacher who performed many miracles. Turned water into wine. Followers ate sacred meal that became the body of the god. He rose from the dead March 25th. Identified with the ram and lamb's and was called "King of Kings," "Only Begotten Son," "Savior," "Redeemer," "Sin bearer," "Anointed One," the "Alpha and Omega."

    HERACLES – GREECE: Born at the winter equinox of a virgin who refrained from sex with her until her god-begotten child was born and was sacrificed at the spring equinox. He too, was called "Savior," "Only begotten," "Prince of Peace," "Son of Righteousness."

    KRISHNA - INDIA: Krishna was born while his foster-father Nanda was in the city to pay his tax to the king. His nativity heralded by a star, Krishna was born of the virgin Devaki in a cave, which at the time of his birth was miraculously illuminated. The cow-herds adored his birth. King Kansa sought the life of the Indian Christ by ordering the massacre of all male children born during the same night at He. Krishna traveled widely, performing miracles -- raising the dead, healing lepers, the deaf and the blind. The crucified Krishna is pictured on the cross with arms extended. Pierced by an arrow while hanging on the cross, Krishna died, but descended into Hell from which He rose again on the third day and ascended into Heaven. (The Gospel of Nicodemus tell of Jesus' descent into Hell.) He will return on the last day to judge the quick and the dead. Krishna is the second person of the Hindu trinity.

    OSIRIS – EGYPT: He came to fulfill the law. Called "KRST," the "Anointed One." Born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave / manger, with his birth announced by a star and attended by three wise men. Earthly father named "Seb" (translates to "Joseph."😉 At age 12 he was a child teacher in the Temple and at 30 he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years. Osiris was baptized in the river Iarutana -- the river Jordan -- by "Anup the Baptizer," who was beheaded. (Anup translates to John.) He performed miracles, exorcised demons, raised El-Osiris from the dead. Walked on water and was betrayed by Typhon, crucified between two thieves on the 17th day of the month of Athyr. Buried in a tomb from which he arose on the third day (19th Athyr) and was resurrected. His suffering, death, and resurrection celebrated each year by His disciples on the Vernal Equinox -- Easter. Called "The Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "god's Anointed Son,' the "Son of Man," the "Word made Flesh," the "word of truth." Expected to reign a thousand years.


    NOTE 1: Persian legends of Mithras says that He was born of the Sun God and a virgin mother, called "the Mother of God", on December 25th. They saw him as a symbol of justice, truth, and loyalty. He was considered the saviour of humankind, and stories abound of His healing the sick, raising the dead, and performing miracles (making the blind see and the lame walk). Throughout His lifetime, He was seen as a protector of human souls, a mediator between "heaven" and "earth" and was even associated with a "holy trinity". He remained celibate, until the ripe old age of 64, throughout his life and preached the virtues of ethics, moral behavior, and good will. Does this sound familiar? Sure sounds like Jesus.

    NOTE 2: Ancient Persians believed in a "celestial heaven" and hell. They believed that they would be judged by their god and granted justice of" eternal salvation. On judgement day, the faithful dead would be resurrected and light would triumph over darkness.

    NOTE 3: They took part in ritual purification or baptism, held Sundays sacred, drank wine and ate bread as a symbol of the body and blood and even took part in ritualistic purging (purification rites such as flagellation).

    NOTE 4: In their legends, Mithras had an "earthly mission' to accomplish. He then was put to death on a cross and buried in a cave (some legends have Him held in a cave to be reborn once a year).

    NOTE 5: He then "rose from the dead" and took part in a last supper with his 12 disciples (often associated with the 12 signs of the zodiac) and then ascended to the heavens to watch over His "flock" from above.

    Note: Regarding these stories...... Krsna was the original and the first and there was none before Krsna.

    This is because krsna is the one true Absolute Truth cause of all causes.
  2. SubscriberSuzianne
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    21 Jan '13 22:31
    Plagiarism or coincidence?

    More like revisionist history.
  3. Standard memberRJHinds
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    21 Jan '13 23:27
    Originally posted by Dasa
    The Jesus story has been around the block before.

    Of the following (semi) deities, legends went around that they were born of a virgin: had birthdays on the 25th of Dec: performed miracles: had 12 disciples: fed the multitudes: were called the savour: were also called the light of man: died and resurrected on the 3rd day etc

    Augustus (his father was the g ...[text shortened]... e of all causes.
    I believe these stories came about due to their knowledge of God's promise of a hero savior, which is being fulfilled by the Son of God, who appeared in the likeness of man through Jesus the Christ. This knowledge, in a distorted way, was passed on from the beginning of history and on down past the worldwide flood of Noah's day. This is no different from your distorted vedic knowledge being passed on from ancient times.

    It does not surpise me that these type stories were created in anticipation of the Son of God coming to Earth through the virgin birth. We also have stories being created today in anticipation of the rapture of the church and the return of Christ in great power to complete the salvation of mankind.
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    21 Jan '13 23:34
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Plagiarism or coincidence?

    More like revisionist history.
    Yes, that could be true too. There are many who will stop at nothing to discredit Christianity.
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    21 Jan '13 23:54
    It seems the different religions all believe they own the absolute truth.They will never agree,in the end it will come down to which faith is the strongest and more able to propagate,bit like theory of evolution, how ironic!!!!!
  6. Standard memberRBHILL
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    21 Jan '13 23:56
    Originally posted by Dasa
    The Jesus story has been around the block before.

    Of the following (semi) deities, legends went around that they were born of a virgin: had birthdays on the 25th of Dec: performed miracles: had 12 disciples: fed the multitudes: were called the savour: were also called the light of man: died and resurrected on the 3rd day etc

    Augustus (his father was the g ...[text shortened]... e of all causes.
    Satan also used these as lies too.
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    22 Jan '13 02:03
    Originally posted by Dasa
    The Jesus story has been around the block before.

    Of the following (semi) deities, legends went around that they were born of a virgin: had birthdays on the 25th of Dec: performed miracles: had 12 disciples: fed the multitudes: were called the savour: were also called the light of man: died and resurrected on the 3rd day etc

    Augustus (his father was the g ...[text shortened]... e of all causes.
    https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c0.0.400.400/p403x403/398161_573815655980803_1531659098_n.jpg
  8. Standard memberRJHinds
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    22 Jan '13 02:04
    Originally posted by OdBod
    It seems the different religions all believe they own the absolute truth.They will never agree,in the end it will come down to which faith is the strongest and more able to propagate,bit like theory of evolution, how ironic!!!!!
    It will all comes down to the final judgments of God. No human organization can own absolute truth, neither in science or religion. Absolute truth can not be changed by whoever has the most faith or weapons. God determines absolute truth.

    HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!
  9. Standard memberDavid C
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    22 Jan '13 02:05
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    More like revisionist history.
    More like monomyth. The Hero with a Thousand Faces.
  10. Standard memberRJHinds
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    22 Jan '13 02:092 edits
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Satan also used these as lies too.
    True, the Holy Bible says nothing about December 25. That date was simply used by men to accommodate all the pagan beliefs distorted by Satan the devil.

    P.S. The Dark Vedas reflect a pagan belief distorted by Satan the devil, too.
    It is also clear satan is had at work in his attempt to distort Christianity too.
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    22 Jan '13 02:19
    Thats a lot of tricky thinking to come up with that conclusion. Could it be that the whole story is a primitive idea that primitive people found appealing ?
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    Please . Come out of the haze .
  13. Standard memberRJHinds
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    22 Jan '13 02:22
    Originally posted by buckky
    Thats a lot of tricky thinking to come up with that conclusion. Could it be that the whole story is a primitive idea that primitive people found appealing ?
    Of course, all those stories were appealing to primitive people. Even people today like them.
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    Originally posted by David C
    More like monomyth. The Hero with a Thousand Faces.
    David!!! Long, long time, man! Greetings and all well-wishes!
  15. Standard memberRJHinds
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    22 Jan '13 04:09
    Originally posted by David C
    More like monomyth. The Hero with a Thousand Faces.
    The following link gives an explanation of your post for those that don't understand.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth
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