1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    16 Aug '13 15:561 edit
    Please consider this:

    Man needs a righteousness from a source beyond himself; alternative, self righteousness. Ugh.
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    18 Aug '13 09:51
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Please consider this:

    Man needs a righteousness from a source beyond himself; alternative, self righteousness. Ugh.[/b]
    Righteousness - The quality of being morally right or justifiable.

    I think it safe to say that everyone needs to feel or believe they have a sense of being right, or having a rightness in themselves.

    All men seek from without those things he needs to survive, but it seems though, that man thinks he can obtain a sense of rightness from within and from his own efforts. Man reasons within himself that he is justified of himself and by himself, that his cause is righteous.

    Man can't feed himself, he needs the fruit of the earth. Man can't add one wit to himself except he look without, but of righteousness he seems to have an abundant supply within.
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    31 Aug '13 00:05
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Please consider this:

    Man needs a righteousness from a source beyond himself; alternative, self righteousness. Ugh.[/b]
    The most self righteous people I know are the most religious.This is because they think they are right in their beliefs and those who believe differently are wrong!
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    31 Aug '13 00:25
    Originally posted by 667joe
    The most self righteous people I know are the most religious.This is because they think they are right in their beliefs and those who believe differently are wrong!
    In the time of Jesus the Jews consider the scribes and Pharisees the most righteous, but Jesus said,

    "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."

    (Matthew 5:20 NKJV)

    The Instructor
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    31 Aug '13 02:22
    Originally posted by 667joe
    The most self righteous people I know are the most religious.This is because they think they are right in their beliefs and those who believe differently are wrong!
    Yes.
    Grampy Bobby and RJHinds immediately come to mind.
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    03 Sep '13 18:22
    Originally posted by 667joe
    The most self righteous people I know are the most religious.This is because they think they are right in their beliefs and those who believe differently are wrong!
    But you're better than all of them. Aren't you ?
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    04 Sep '13 07:21
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    In the time of Jesus the Jews consider the scribes and Pharisees the most righteous, but Jesus said,

    [b]"For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."


    (Matthew 5:20 NKJV)

    The Instructor[/b]
    Thank you for quoting this timely passage. Acceptable Righteousness is the issue. False teachers encourage their followers to attempt to build equity with God with their own self righteousness words and deeds. Sadly, they hate Grace and pursue an empty manner of life, preferring separation from God in time and in Eternity. Distractions and denial are their forte.
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    04 Sep '13 11:54
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Please consider this:

    Man needs a righteousness from a source beyond himself; alternative, self righteousness. Ugh.[/b]
    Mundane man needs many things and righteousness is just one more thing.

    In reality man does not know what is best for him and he needs to be instructed into the truth of his existence.

    He needs to know that he is an eternal spiritual being and that this world is not his true home.

    His true home is in the spiritual sky with Krsna / where everyone lives for eternity in abundant joy and never ending peace and in full knowledge.

    This is truly what man needs to know.
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    04 Sep '13 12:30
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Mundane man needs many things and righteousness is just one more thing.

    In reality man does not know what is best for him and he needs to be instructed into the truth of his existence.

    He needs to know that he is an eternal spiritual being and that this world is not his true home.

    His true home is in the spiritual sky with Krsna / where everyone lives ...[text shortened]... ndant joy and never ending peace and in full knowledge.

    This is truly what man needs to know.
    .... who is "Krsna"?
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    04 Sep '13 12:32
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Please consider this:

    Man needs a righteousness from a source beyond himself; alternative, self righteousness. Ugh.[/b]
    Humans tend to enshrine their values. It give their values an aura of divine authority and permanence that is beyond questioning.

    This does not mean that the values are worthy of enshrinement.
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    04 Sep '13 17:511 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Thank you for quoting this timely passage. Acceptable Righteousness is the issue. False teachers encourage their followers to attempt to build equity with God with their own self righteousness words and deeds. Sadly, they hate Grace and pursue an empty manner of life, preferring separation from God in time and in Eternity. Distractions and denial are their forte.
    I would be very interested in some references where Jesus Christ made any of these statements. Notice I said Jesus Christ. You remember Him right? Thats the guy you claim is your saviour. Can you quote what HE SAID with regard to righteousness. Thank you GB.
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    04 Sep '13 21:41
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    I would be very interested in some references where Jesus Christ made any of these statements. Notice I said Jesus Christ. You remember Him right? Thats the guy you claim is your saviour. Can you quote what HE SAID with regard to righteousness. Thank you GB.
    Unfortunately, your momentary irreverence and hostility demean the conversation. Taking cheap bait in any conversation face to face or online isn't my Modus Operandi. Calm down and maybe we'll pursue the Original Post Topic another time.
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    04 Sep '13 21:47
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    I would be very interested in some references where Jesus Christ made any of these statements. Notice I said Jesus Christ. You remember Him right? Thats the guy you claim is your saviour. Can you quote what HE SAID with regard to righteousness. Thank you GB.
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    In the time of Jesus the Jews consider the scribes and Pharisees the most righteous, but Jesus said,

    "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:20 NKJV)
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    04 Sep '13 22:08
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Unfortunately, your momentary irreverence and hostility demean the conversation. Taking cheap bait in any conversation face to face or online isn't my Modus Operandi. Calm down and maybe we'll pursue the Original Post Topic another time.
    It would be more honest to say that you cannot support all you stated by quoting Jesus Christ.

    Honesty and Truthfulness first.

    Everything else [like irreverence and hostility] last.
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    04 Sep '13 22:101 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    In the time of Jesus the Jews consider the scribes and Pharisees the most righteous, but Jesus said,

    [b]"For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."
    (Matthew 5:20 NKJV)[/b]
    You said this:

    False teachers encourage their followers to attempt to build equity with God with their own self righteousness words and deeds. Sadly, they hate Grace and pursue an empty manner of life, preferring separation from God in time and in Eternity. Distractions and denial are their forte.

    And you got all that from this ?

    For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:20 NKJV)

    Got anything else?
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