Spirituality
30 Mar 18
30 Mar 18
Read all about it...read all about it!! The Pope abolishes hell.
According to Italian journalist and atheist Scalfari who interviewed the Pope several times (according to some sources) and is quoted all over global media as saying the Pope is stated that sinners simply disappear and are not tortured for eternity.
The Vatican denies the comments but there is a bit of a poo-storm kicking up as some of the Pope’s detractors claim that he has a tendiency to confuse the faithful.
I’m sure the eternal torture lovers will be writting to the Pope for clarification.
Typical reference but it’s all over social media for those interested:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/29/vatican-denies-pope-says-doesnt-exist/
30 Mar 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterHell is as real as heaven.
Read all about it...read all about it!! The Pope abolishes hell.
According to Italian journalist and atheist Scalfari who interviewed the Pope several times (according to some sources) and is quoted all over global media as saying the Pope is stated that sinners simply disappear and are not tortured for eternity.
The Vatican denies the comments b ...[text shortened]... interested:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/29/vatican-denies-pope-says-doesnt-exist/
The pope is as real as pink polka dotted unicorns.
30 Mar 18
Originally posted by @secondsonWhat’s the difference between a lemon and a lime?
Hell is as real as heaven.
The pope is as real as pink polka dotted unicorns.
30 Mar 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterDon't you know?
What’s the difference between a lemon and a lime?
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Originally posted by @divegeester“Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.
Read all about it...read all about it!! The Pope abolishes hell.
According to Italian journalist and atheist Scalfari who interviewed the Pope several times (according to some sources) and is quoted all over global media as saying the Pope is stated that sinners simply disappear and are not tortured for eternity.
The Vatican denies the comments b ...[text shortened]... interested:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/29/vatican-denies-pope-says-doesnt-exist/
For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.
Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is.
For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.”
(Jeremiah 17:5-8)
Originally posted by @romans1009Thank goodness for copy/paste.
“Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.
For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.
Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and ...[text shortened]... e careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.”
(Jeremiah 17:5-8)
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Originally posted by @divegeesterI hope that’s not all you took away from those verses.
Thank goodness for copy/paste.
Originally posted by @romans1009From what I've heard and read of divegeester it appears he has a watered down view of the scriptures. I don't think divegeester really believes what the Bible says when it doesn't correspond with his own perceptions of reality.
I hope that’s not all you took away from those verses.
For example; divegeester spiritualizes those verses that talk about hell and the eternal state of a Christ rejecting world as metaphorical, and castigates anyone that believes in the literal interpretation of scripture.
Originally posted by @secondsonIf he believes he "saved" by faith alone ~ as many others here do, including you ~ what does it matter? Surely you don't believe that being "saved" is a matter of how well some doctrine has been memorized or internalized?
From what I've heard and read of divegeester it appears he has a watered down view of the scriptures. I don't think divegeester really believes what the Bible says when it doesn't correspond with his own perceptions of reality.
For example; divegeester spiritualizes those verses that talk about hell and the eternal state of a Christ rejecting world as metaphorical, and castigates anyone that believes in the literal interpretation of scripture.
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31 Mar 18
Originally posted by @secondsonI think the root of dive’s problem, the heart of his existential angst and unwillingness to believe the entire Bible, is the possibility, in his mind, that beer doesn’t exist in heaven and that he’ll have to be sober for more than 20 minutes.
From what I've heard and read of divegeester it appears he has a watered down view of the scriptures. I don't think divegeester really believes what the Bible says when it doesn't correspond with his own perceptions of reality.
For example; divegeester spiritualizes those verses that talk about hell and the eternal state of a Christ rejecting world as metaphorical, and castigates anyone that believes in the literal interpretation of scripture.
From what the bartender at dive’s pub tells me, this fear most often presents itself after the tenth pint and results in crying jags, slurred cursing and incontinence.
31 Mar 18
Originally posted by @fmfThis is a really good point; what does it matter as long as I am saved by faith. Which I am.
If he believes he "saved" by faith alone ~ as many others here do, including you ~ what does it matter? Surely you don't believe that being "saved" is a matter of how well some doctrine has been memorized or internalized?
Originally posted by @divegeesterFMF didn't make a good point. He raised an issue that isn't in the context of the foregoing posts.
This is a really good point; what does it matter as long as I am saved by faith. Which I am.
I cannot say there is biblical grounds for saying an individual isn't saved because they disagree on points of doctrine, and I cannot say you are not saved because you struggle with the concept of a Christ rejecting world consigned to everlasting punishment in the lake of fire.
I struggle with it myself.
31 Mar 18
Originally posted by @fmfI certainly do.
Surely you don't believe that being "saved" is a matter of how well some doctrine has been memorized or internalized?
Romans 10:8&9
But what saith it?
verse 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise,..
The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
I'm reasonably certain divegeester believes that.
31 Mar 18
Originally posted by @secondsonFrom what I've heard and read of divegeester it appears he has a watered down view of the scriptures. I don't think divegeester really believes what the Bible says when it doesn't correspond with his own perceptions of reality.
From what I've heard and read of divegeester it appears he has a watered down view of the scriptures. I don't think divegeester really believes what the Bible says when it doesn't correspond with his own perceptions of reality.
For example; divegeester spiritualizes those verses that talk about hell and the eternal state of a Christ rejecting world as metaphorical, and castigates anyone that believes in the literal interpretation of scripture.
How exactly is that different from you not believing what Leviticus 25:44-46 says because it doesn't correspond with your conception of God?
31 Mar 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneBecause, unlike you, I don't project into the narrative of scripture a presupposition that is contrary to the text.
[b]From what I've heard and read of divegeester it appears he has a watered down view of the scriptures. I don't think divegeester really believes what the Bible says when it doesn't correspond with his own perceptions of reality.
How exactly is that different from you not believing what Leviticus 25:44-46 says because it doesn't correspond with your conception of God?[/b]