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    Morality aside for the moment, the issue with pornography is that it takes something natural, that being the need for sexual intimacy and fulfils that need, artificially. Its like having no money and peering desirously into the sweet shop window and what happens is you end up merely licking the glass and dreaming about those tasty sweets inside. In other words, its a poor substitute for the real thing.

    As an art student (some years ago) we painted/drew many nudes (I always felt some empathy for the models as they were made to pose in large often cold rooms), but there is a difference between art and pornography and that is its motivation. The human form is a beautiful thing, but context is everything. Thus if one visits any museum or art gallery you are likely to see Titian portraying unclad plump ladies in abundance (the fashion was for voluptuousness even then) and yet one does not feel the same sense of desire as when tantalising young women project their mammary glands into cameras as two beacons shining luminously for guys that are lost.

    So what is there left to say but that context and presentation are everything in this instance. So many lonely people sucking up images into their minds. It cannot be healthy.
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    06 Oct '14 11:12
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    [b]Morality aside for the moment, the issue with pornography is that it takes something natural, that being the need for sexual intimacy and fulfils that need, artificially. Its like having no money and peering desirously into the sweet shop window and what happens is you end up merely licking the glass and dreaming about those tasty sweets inside. In other words, its a poor substitute for the real thing./b]
    I think saying that pornography is "a poor substitute for the real thing" is a bit like saying that bears looking at pictures of other bears pooing in the woods is a poor substitute for the real thing. 🙂
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    06 Oct '14 11:231 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    I think saying that pornography is "a poor substitute for the real thing" is a bit like saying that bears looking at pictures of other bears pooing in the woods is a poor substitute for the real thing. 🙂
    Do you? does anyone else have anything of substance to say on the health or otherwise of viewing pornography or from a spiritual aspect? anything other than a glib and essentially meaningless statement?
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    06 Oct '14 13:111 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Morality aside for the moment, the issue with pornography is that it takes something natural, that being the need for sexual intimacy and fulfils that need, artificially. Its like having no money and peering desirously into the sweet shop window and what happens is you end up merely licking the glass and dreaming about those tasty sweets inside. In ...[text shortened]... this instance. So many lonely people sucking up images into their minds. It cannot be healthy.
    What's the point you're trying to make? That people should have sex themselves rather than watching others do it? For the most part I reckon those people will agree with you on that, however there are those times when there just isn't anyone around to "do it with". We can't all be studs like yourself, Robbie, always having the ladies fly around us like bees around honey.

    And there are those sexual acts that you might like to do but your spouse doesn't want to. Watching someone else do it is then simply the next best thing.

    It might also be said that people who can't get actual sex but are content with watching porn are less likely to start raping people.

    I do have a fear that pornography is so easy to come by these days that it's become pretty much become normal for children. That is a worrying trend, I think.

    Question for you Robbie: if you would watch porn, do you think you might get aroused by it or not?
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    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    What's the point you're trying to make? That people should have sex themselves rather than watching others do it? For the most part I reckon those people will agree with you on that, however there are those times when there just isn't anyone around to "do it with". We can't all be studs like yourself, Robbie, always having the ladies fly around us lik ...[text shortened]... estion for you Robbie: if you would watch porn, do you think you might get aroused by it or not?
    that pornography cannot be healthy, that people substitute it for healthy relationships, that it taints peoples perceptions, that it could be dangerous and addictive, that its artificial, I mean, how hard can it be?

    I have been happily married to one woman for more than fifteen years, your assertion that i am somehow promiscuous or a 'stud, or a babe magnet is ludicrous and makes NO SENSE!

    'It might also be said that people who can't get actual sex but are content with watching porn are less likely to start raping people. ' - GKR

    You have any evidence for this for i am sure that i can find evidence of the contrary that people who have viewed violent pornography have went on to commit rape.

    yes i get aroused when I come across a pretty woman showing off her body, its a natural reaction as I state at the outset, but i do not feed the desire and do not go looking for it. Sometimes you see it in avatars or by mistake in searches for innocent things. Its quite prevalent to be honest.
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    06 Oct '14 13:251 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    that pornography cannot be healthy, that people substitute it for healthy relationships, that it taints peoples perceptions, that it could be dangerous and addictive, that its artificial, I mean, how hard can it be?

    I have been happily married to one woman for more than fifteen years, your assertion that i am somehow promiscuous or a 'stud, or a babe magnet is ludicrous and makes NO SENSE!
    You are ignoring pretty much everything that I said. Why is that? Edit: I see you edited your post.

    Oh, and the "stud" bit was a joke. Lighten up man, jeez. I know very well you're not at all a stud.
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    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    You are ignoring pretty much everything that I said. Why is that?

    Oh, and the "stud" bit was a joke. Lighten up man, jeez. I know very well you're not at all a stud.
    I have quoted you? in what universe is that ignoring everything you have said, i have answered your question in detail? in what universe is that ignoring everything you have said? Do explain.
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    06 Oct '14 13:27
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    ...your assertion that i am somehow promiscuous or a 'stud, or a babe magnet is ludicrous and makes NO SENSE!
    This I can agree with.
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    06 Oct '14 13:311 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    I mean, how hard can it be?
    Depends on the kind of pornography you look at.
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    06 Oct '14 13:32
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Do you? does anyone else have anything of substance to say on the health or otherwise of viewing pornography or from a spiritual aspect? anything other than a glib and essentially meaningless statement?
    I agree with you when you say that pornography is "a poor substitute for the real thing".
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    06 Oct '14 13:34
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    I have quoted you? in what universe is that ignoring everything you have said, i have answered your question in detail? in what universe is that ignoring everything you have said? Do explain.
    Simply quoting someone does not equal responding to the points they make. But you edited your post to include some actual answers to my post, so you're no longer ignoring my points. Good for you.

    Are you alright man? You seem a tad angry. Do you have a lot of stress? You do know how to get rid of that stress, right?
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    06 Oct '14 13:35
    Originally posted by Rank outsider
    Depends on the kind of pornography you look at.
    I lolled.
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    06 Oct '14 13:37
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    that pornography cannot be healthy, that people substitute it for healthy relationships, that it taints peoples perceptions, that it could be dangerous and addictive, that its artificial, I mean, how hard can it be?
    I also agree with you that pornography could well be a poor substitute for healthy relationships and that it could taint peoples perceptions.
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    06 Oct '14 13:391 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    I agree with you when you say that pornography is "a poor substitute for the real thing".
    What about people who use pornography as part of the 'real thing'?

    Hang on, I think robbie's squeamishness alarm is about to go off.....
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    06 Oct '14 13:40
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    that pornography cannot be healthy, that people substitute it for healthy relationships, that it taints peoples perceptions, that it could be dangerous and addictive, that its artificial, I mean, how hard can it be?
    I think you're right to say that pornography can be addictive.
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