post natal depression.

Originally posted by 7ate9
http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,11964-5810213,00.html

i was hanging around with a pregnant mother a while ago, and then after she had the baby she ended up flipping out a lot. a lot of people thought something like this would eventuate, but luckily it never did.

i know it is common for mothers to suffer depression after giving birth. does anyone have any thoughts on this topic?

Eve's fault.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Eve's fault.

Adam's fault too.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Adam's fault too.

Why? Eve sinned first and brought sin into the world. Adam only sinned in a world that Eve had already tainted by her sinful act. Even if Adam had refused to eat the fruit, women would still have labor pains thanks to Eve.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Why? Eve sinned first and brought sin into the world. Adam only sinned in a world that Eve had already tainted by her sinful act. Even if Adam had refused to eat the fruit, women would still have labor pains thanks to Eve.

Not quite. Adam was right there when Eve sinned. It was his job to protect the Garden of Eden against the intruder; the serpent wouldn't have gotten to Eve if Adam had not been derelict in his duty. Standing by while Eve sinned made Adam an accomplice in her sin - actually taking the fruit himself was a fait accompli.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Not quite. Adam was right there when Eve sinned. It was his job to protect the Garden of Eden against the intruder; the serpent wouldn't have gotten to Eve if Adam had not been derelict in his duty. Standing by while Eve sinned made Adam an accomplice in her sin - actually taking the fruit himself was a fait accompli.

LMAO. You just make this crap up as you go along.

If Eden was perfect, why in the world would Adam think he had a duty to act as a sentry against evil serpents?

If there was in fact such a need, then evil must have already existed in the world and neither Adam nor Eve is responsible for introducing it.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
LMAO. You just make this crap up as you go along.

If Eden was perfect, why in the world would Adam think he had a duty to act as a sentry against evil serpents?

Because that's what God told him to do. Now, he wasn't explicitly told that the threat would be a serpent but, once it appeared, it was unmistakable.

And, no, I'm not making this up. It's a more developed version of Bp. Irenaeus's exegesis of Genesis - it's also a not-uncommon view held by modern exegetes.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Because that's what God told him to do.

So God acknowledged before the eating of the fruit that evil existed in the world, that Eden wasn't perfect?

Where is this found in the Bible?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
So God acknowledged before the eating of the fruit that evil existed in the world, that Eden wasn't perfect?

Where is this found in the Bible?

a. The Garden of Eden isn't the "world".
b. The world isn't the cosmos.
c. Of course evil existed in the cosmos prior to the eating of the fruit - Lucifer, anyone?

EDIT: Genesis 2-3

Originally posted by lucifershammer

c. Of course evil existed in the cosmos prior to the eating of the fruit - Lucifer, anyone?

Then why do Adam and Eve get the bad rap?

If evil existed in the cosmos, and if it was possible for man to choose to do evil, and if man was designed to live forever, then it was logically impossible from the outset for man to never sin. The fact that man sins now is not contingent on Eve's sin, but rather on God's design of the cosmos - under the design, man sinning is inevitable.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Then why do Adam and Eve get the bad rap?

If evil existed in the cosmos, and if it was possible for man to choose to do evil, and if man was designed to live forever, then it was logically impossible from the outset for man to never sin. The fact that man sins now is not contingent on Eve's sin, but rather on God's design of the cosmos - under the design, man sinning is inevitable.

Eh? How is man's sinning inevitable?

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Eh? How is man's sinning inevitable?

Look at the record.

Originally posted by kirksey957
Look at the record.

That doesn't make it inevitable.