In another thread Kelly and I were discussing, essentially, power and corruption.
My statement:
'Power corrupts.
Absolutely power corrupts absolutely.'
This a common aphorism, almost, the direct quote being:
'Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely' - John Dalberg-Acton
From http://tinyurl.com/yv4t9q :
'An observation that a person’s sense of morality lessens as his or her power increases. The statement was made by Lord Acton, a British historian of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.'
Now Kelly replied:
'No
Power reveals corruption
Absolute power will reveal it absolutely'
Now, these two phrases seem almost polar opposites...
It would seem that my statement is a very negative view of humanity, but Kelly's is positive.
Kelly, can you elaborate a bit on your statement so I can grasp what you are saying better? Then I shall do the same.
Originally posted by Bad wolf In another thread Kelly and I were discussing, essentially, power and corruption.
My statement:
'Power corrupts.
Absolutely power corrupts absolutely.'
This a common aphorism, almost, the direct quote being:
'Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely' - John Dalberg-Acton
From http://tinyurl.com/yv4t9q :
'An observation ...[text shortened]... on your statement so I can grasp what you are saying better? Then I shall do the same.
I presume Kelly means god is the ultimate power and as such reveals corruption due to his absolute benevolence and all knowingnessthingamyjig.
Originally posted by Starrman I presume Kelly means god is the ultimate power and as such reveals corruption due to his absolute benevolence and all knowingnessthingamyjig.
That's what I thought at first, but in the other thread he said he was talking about people.
"I'm talking about people"
So I'm a little confused with how this would work, without God.
Originally posted by TheSkipper A powerful person who happens to make a foolish decision could be said to have made a mistake, without being considered corrupt.
On the other hand, you could say that if he was not corrupted, he would not have made a mistake.
Originally posted by dj2becker On the other hand, you could say that if he was not corrupted, he would not have made a mistake.
I'm not sure why you would assume that corrupt individuals are more prone to mistake than others. In fact, I think you might find that corrupt people are some of the most clever people, and least prone to mistake. Just look at a scam artist...
Originally posted by TheSkipper I'm not sure why you would assume that corrupt individuals are more prone to mistake than others. In fact, I think you might find that corrupt people are some of the most clever people, and least prone to mistake. Just look at a scam artist...
A person who is corrupt, by definition of the word, is more prone to making mistakes than a person who is not corrupt. But all people make mistakes, therefore all people are corrupted in some or other way. I believe it is sin that has corrupted man.
Originally posted by TheSkipper A powerful person who happens to make a foolish decision could be said to have made a mistake, without being considered corrupt.
You basically said that power corrupts fools, everyone to a varying degree, can be considered a fool, so, you see my point?