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Originally posted by Bad wolfIt applies to both people and God, but I was speaking about people.
In another thread Kelly and I were discussing, essentially, power and corruption.
My statement:
'Power corrupts.
Absolutely power corrupts absolutely.'
This a common aphorism, almost, the direct quote being:
'Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely' - John Dalberg-Acton
From http://tinyurl.com/yv4t9q :
'An observation on your statement so I can grasp what you are saying better? Then I shall do the same.
I am not the first guy to say that, but I cannot give credit to the one
who did, because I don't recall his name.
Power will reveal what is there within a person as they act.
A corrupt person will take advantage, while a good person, will be just
what they are, a good person. A little example would be finding a
wallet with ID and money in it. What would a good person do, and what
would a corrupt person do? Put a each type of person in power, what
do we end up getting?
Kelly
Originally posted by TheSkipperAre you calling 'a mistake' something where they get caught doing
I'm not sure why you would assume that corrupt individuals are more prone to mistake than others. In fact, I think you might find that corrupt people are some of the most clever people, and least prone to mistake. Just look at a scam artist...
something they were doing with their eyes WIDE open, and regret
what happens when others find out, or a 'mistake' something they
normally would not do but had a instant brainfart and trully do
regret it.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayi might stuff the money in my pocket
It applies to both people and God, but I was speaking about people.
I am not the first guy to say that, but I cannot give credit to the one
who did, because I don't recall his name.
Power will reveal what is there within a person as they act.
A corrupt person will take advantage, while a good person, will be just
what they are, a good person. A littl ...[text shortened]... uld a corrupt person do? Put a each type of person in power, what
do we end up getting?
Kelly
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomThat is the nature of action and power, would a good person because
that is why i would have a huge dilemma in my mind on whether or not to take the money 😞
they can justify taking the money, take it? We say little things like
‘finders keepers, losers weepers’ to justify ourselves, but in the end
we are attempting to justify our actions with reason, power will put
someone in the position to always being able to come up with some
means to justify what they want, ‘it was for the greater good’ or some
thing else like that. A person in power because of opportunity will
no doubt show their spots.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaywhat if the person is rich?
That is the nature of action and power, would a good person because
they can justify taking the money, take it? We say little things like
‘finders keepers, losers weepers’ to justify ourselves, but in the end
we are attempting to justify our actions with reason, power will put
someone in the position to always being able to come up with some
means to j ...[text shortened]... lse like that. A person in power because of opportunity will
no doubt show their spots.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaywe are going in circles, you and i both know what is right and what is wrong so there is no point in discussing it.
Would it matter if they are rich or not? Do you think rich people do not
steal, because they don't have to, because thier 'needs are less' to
get along with?
Kelly
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Originally posted by EcstremeVenomBut right and wrong was not the topic, it was corruption and power.
we are going in circles, you and i both know what is right and what is wrong so there is no point in discussing it.
My point is we show ourselves for the people we are by the power
we aquire, where it was stated that power itself corrupts, which I
suggest is false. Given the chance what kind of person are you when
you can do what you will?
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayOkay, I see now, thanks. 🙂
It applies to both people and God, but I was speaking about people.
I am not the first guy to say that, but I cannot give credit to the one
who did, because I don't recall his name.
Power will reveal what is there within a person as they act.
A corrupt person will take advantage, while a good person, will be just
what they are, a good person. A littl ...[text shortened]... uld a corrupt person do? Put a each type of person in power, what
do we end up getting?
Kelly
A much better quote than mine.
Originally posted by KellyJayBut right and wrong was not the topic, it was corruption and power.
But right and wrong was not the topic, it was corruption and power.
My point is we show ourselves for the people we are by the power
we aquire, where it was stated that power itself corrupts, which I
suggest is false. Given the chance what kind of person are you when
you can do what you will?
Kelly
Interesting distinction!
An early Hasidic Rebbe distinguished between three kinds of people: to use your example, one who decides to keep the money, one who without question decides to find the rightful owner—and one who struggles with himself before making the decision to find the rightful owner. The Rebbe actually assigned the higher moral status to the third person, not the second—because he had to struggle to overcome the “voice of corruption” inside himself.
Originally posted by vistesdRepenting isn't always easy, and neither is making the right choice
[b]But right and wrong was not the topic, it was corruption and power.
Interesting distinction!
An early Hasidic Rebbe distinguished between three kinds of people: to use your example, one who decides to keep the money, one who without question decides to find the rightful owner—and one who struggles with himself before making the decision to find ...[text shortened]... not the second—because he had to struggle to overcome the “voice of corruption” inside himself.[/b]
when you know what it is.
Kelly