Premise: Objective morals do not exist

Originally posted by @dj2becker
The fact that you possibly rejected all of 'God's laws' when you were a Christian doesn't mean that all Christians do.

You have a moral code. And I have a moral code. Both of us can fail to live up to our codes. The fact that you refer to your one as "objective" means nothing to me and has no effect whatsoever on your ability to stick to your code, just as it has no bearing on my ability to stick to mine. The fact that I do not believe Jesus was a supernatural being (and you believe he is) does not affect the application of our moral codes.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
The fact that you don't believe in an objective standard for right and wrong means that everyone is entitled to their opinion which would mean you would be ok with it if someone disagreed with you about your moral analysis.

We have discussed this in detail before. You have mischaracterized what my stance is in the hope of drawing me back in and making me jump through your interpersonally dysfunctional hoops by making me repeat myself. This is simply low grade trolling on your part.

Originally posted by @fmf
We've discussed this before. Specifically. Explicitly. And in detail. And you blanked it out. I do not need to repeat myself, even you do.

This is your standard response to questions that you have no answer to. If you had in fact answered it and your answer was worth repeating I'm sure you would.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
This is your standard response to questions that you have no answer to. If you had in fact answered it and your answer was worth repeating I'm sure you would.

Ah yes, your infamous punchline.

...troll troll troll punchline troll troll troll punchline troll troll troll punchline etc. ad nauseam.

Come on now, can't you muster just a modicum of grown-up common decency? 😉

Originally posted by @fmf
You have a moral code. And I have a moral code. Both of us can fail to live up to our codes. The fact that you refer to your one as "objective" means nothing to me and has no effect whatsoever on your ability to stick to your code, just as it has no bearing on my ability to stick to mine. The fact that I do not believe Jesus was a supernatural being (and you believe he is) does not affect the application of our moral codes.

If your moral code in your mind isn't God's law but your own and in your mind isn't any better than anyone els's of course you don't have any real reason to live up to it.

Originally posted by @fmf
Ah yes, your infamous punchline.

...troll troll troll punchline troll troll troll punchline troll troll troll punchline etc. ad nauseam.

Come on now, can't you muster just a modicum of grown-up common decency? 😉

Dodge a question then call me a troll etc. ad nauseam. Talk about grown-up common decency. 😉

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Dodge a question then call me a troll etc. ad nauseam. Talk about grown-up common decency. 😉

You choose to ignore what people say and then proceed to repeat the same questions over and over again. It's a gimmick and I am not interested. If you think I am childish and lacking in decency because I don't want to play along, then so be it.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If your moral code in your mind isn't God's law but your own and in your mind isn't any better than anyone els's of course you don't have any real reason to live up to it.

Is this a question?

Your moral code is in your mind, and you either live up to it, or you don't live up to it. It matters not one whit to me whether you got it from a magazine article you read in a dentist's waiting room, from a pamphlet someone gave you on the street, from a feverish dream you had one night, or from the Koran or the Vedas. Whatever the source, you got it from your human nature interacting with your human environment. Your moral code is in your mind. If you feel you have "reason to live up to it", then good for you. If you feel non-Christians have "no reason to live up to" their moral code, then you should perhaps take care when you are around them.

Originally posted by @fmf
Is this a question?

Your moral code is in your mind, and you either live up to it, or you don't live up to it. It matters not one whit to me whether you got it from a magazine article you read in a dentist's waiting room, from a pamphlet someone gave you on the street, from a feverish dream you had one night, or from the Koran or the Vedas. Whatever the sour ...[text shortened]... son to live up to" their moral code, then you should perhaps take care when you are around them.

So are you saying that someone who believes there are no objective morals and that everyone can do as they see fit is just as likely to 'live up to their morals' as someone who believes in an objective moral standard?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So are you saying that someone who believes there are no objective morals and that everyone can do as they see fit is just as likely to 'live up to their morals' as someone who believes in an objective moral standard?

We have discussed the implications of people disagreeing about morality before. Refer to that.

And, as you know, I am unimpressed and unaffected by you labelling your own beliefs "objective".

You can label them "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious", for all I care. It doesn't change what it is: it's a set of standards and perspectives obtained and internalized, and applied, as a result of the same process as I acquired my moral standards and perspectives.

Originally posted by @fmf
We have discussed the implications of people disagreeing about morality before. Refer to that.

And, as you know, I am unimpressed and unaffected by you labelling your own beliefs "objective".

You can label them "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious", for all I care. It doesn't change what it is: it's a set of standards and perspectives obtained and intern ...[text shortened]... and applied, as a result of the same process as I acquired my moral standards and perspectives.

Your dodge to my question yet again is noted.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Your dodge to my question yet again is noted.

I haven't dodged it. I'm just not playing along. Go and look at our discussion about morality and what happens when there is disagreement over moral codes.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So are you saying that someone who believes there are no objective morals and that everyone can do as they see fit is just as likely to 'live up to their morals' as someone who believes in an objective moral standard?

Give me a reason why I should believe that you are going to live up to whatever morals you happen to believe in. If your reason only is '...it's because I am a Christian', or '...it's because I have declared my morals to be "objective"', please try something else, as I am not impressed.

Originally posted by @fmf
I haven't dodged it. I'm just not playing along. Go and look at our discussion about morality and what happens when there is disagreement over moral codes.

I did not ask you about disagreement over moral codes. Read the question again.

Originally posted by @fmf
Give me a reason why I should believe that you are going to live up to whatever morals you happen to believe in. If your reason only is '...it's because I am a Christian', or '...it's because I have declared my morals to be "objective"', please try something else, as I am not impressed.

Someone who believes that there is no objective moral law shouldn't feel that any moral law is obligatory if they are being consistent in their thinking. Whereas someone who does believe in an objective moral law has to believe these laws are obligatory if they are being consistent in their thinking.