19 Jan 09
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundYes. They have fundamentally different theological frameworks. Presbyterians believe that everything
Are there any ideological reasons why a presbyterian couldn't attend an Anglican church ? I know the historical differences, but are there any other basic differences?
is preordained by God since before the creation of time, that humankind is intrinsically depraved
because of Original Sin, that the so-called sola scriptura mindset is the only one in which believers
ought to take stock (which ultimately takes the form of ignoring mainstream Biblical scholarship),
and that salvation through grace is the only thing that can redeem.
By contrast, Anglicans believe in free will, that humankind is flawed but not fundamentally evil, that
tradition plays a vital role in informing one's faith (which generally the form of embracing mainstream
Biblical scholarship), and that while Christ is the instrument of salvation, the nature of that salvation
is complicated and not fully comprehensible.
No self-respecting Presbyterian/Anglican who is informed about his tradition could possibly worship
at the other one's church.
Nemesio
23 Jan 09
Originally posted by NemesioWell im anglican and i would, and self-respected, i have worshiped in roman churchs, as i belive to worship god is to the good of my soul. Doe,s not matter were you are home, field, church etc.
Yes. They have fundamentally different theological frameworks. Presbyterians believe that everything
is preordained by God since before the creation of time, that humankind is intrinsically depraved
because of Original Sin, that the so-called sola scriptura mindset is the only one in which believers
ought to take stock (which ultimately takes the ...[text shortened]... is informed about his tradition could possibly worship
at the other one's church.
Nemesio
24 Jan 09
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Originally posted by stokerWhen you say 'Amen,' you are consenting to what has just been said in worship.
Well im anglican and i would, and self-respected, i have worshiped in roman churchs, as i belive to worship god is to the good of my soul. Doe,s not matter were you are home, field, church etc.
As an Anglican, you reject the tenets I listed above. Central to Presbyterian
worship is the articulation of these very traits. If you said 'Amen,' then you
were either not paying attention or you're not an observant Anglican.
It's one thing to attend another church tradition. It's another thing to worship
there.
Nemesio
25 Jan 09
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Originally posted by stokerLike I said: You are being inattentive. I can't help that. If you think that
when i say amen to any pray its to the glory of god that the pray was said not to any man or any earthly glory.
saying 'Amen' to something antithetical to Anglicanism makes you a good
Anglican, then you don't know what 'Amen' means.
Nemesio
26 Jan 09
Originally posted by Nemesioim a anglican yes but a christian if someone says something right then it does not matter from where they come from. even you if you say something true i say amen to that.
Like I said: You are being inattentive. I can't help that. If you think that
saying 'Amen' to something antithetical to Anglicanism makes you a good
Anglican, then you don't know what 'Amen' means.
Nemesio
26 Jan 09
Originally posted by stokerThe question that initiated this thread was whether a Presbyterian could attend
im a anglican yes but a christian if someone says something right then it does not matter from where they come from. even you if you say something true i say amen to that.
an Anglican church. I take 'attend' to mean 'actively worship.' I have no
doubt that an atheist could come into an Anglican church and say 'Amen' when
the priest says 'hunger is a wrong that needs righting.' But he would disagree
with
the vast majority of what was being said because of his ideological stance.
Presbyterians and Anglicans have widely divergent ideological stances. Yes,
they agree with each other more than they agree with the atheist, but as
it pertains to the fundament of what it means to be Presbyterian, he will
find no agreement. So why on earth would he attend a church with a
Christian theology antithetical to his own?
An Anglican would have very little to say 'Amen' to in a Presbyterian church,
and an observant Presbyterian would find the adherence to tradition -- the
use of sacraments and liturgy -- to be antithetical to Calvinist principles.
Nemesio
28 Jan 09
Originally posted by NemesioThank you. I've found a Presbyterian church here, so it's not an issue anymore.
Yes. They have fundamentally different theological frameworks. Presbyterians believe that everything
is preordained by God since before the creation of time, that humankind is intrinsically depraved
because of Original Sin, that the so-called sola scriptura mindset is the only one in which believers
ought to take stock (which ultimately takes the ...[text shortened]... is informed about his tradition could possibly worship
at the other one's church.
Nemesio
28 Jan 09
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundOf course in light of Nemesio's comments and your original question I think you should seriously look into your own faith and identify what it is. If you were not fully aware of the differences between presbyterians and Anglicans then is is probable that you do not actually know or agree with many of the things that you say "Amen" to in the presbyterian Church.
Thank you. I've found a Presbyterian church here, so it's not an issue anymore.