Proofs that the Holy Bible is True

Originally posted by RJHinds
The point is you jump to conclusions without making any attempt to
study what the Holy Bible is saying. The writers of the Holy Bible
were inspired to write what they did according to the Holy Bible. Who
has ever said translators are inspired by God? If coney is the correct
translation, then the Bible writer may not have meant the rabbit or
hare. Yo ...[text shortened]... say it is not true without knowing all the facts.
That is the way we lose a lot of chess games.

You are right that you can't say what is or is not true without knowing the facts.

The problem is that you apply this to everyone but you, and your religion.

The burden of proof is on you to prove your god exists.

To do this you need solid 'irrefutable' testable evidence.

You don't have any, the way I know this is you bring up the bible as proof.

the bible is written by people a long time ago.

I can't go and ask them questions.

And even if I could, they are humans and are therefore fallible.

There are plenty of people today who claim that god has spoken to them
and given them his divine wisdom (which contradicts all the other people
claiming the same thing) at most only one of them can be right, and most
likely all are wrong.

I have no way of telling, (apart from the fact that a lot of what they claim is
manifestly ridiculously evidently not true) if they have had a real experience
or have imagined it, and that's even assuming I trust that they are not simply
lying.

There is no way of evaluating if one 'holy book' is more or less divinely inspired
than any of the others.
You would not claim that the Koran, or the Torah, or the works of Ron Hubbard
were divinely inspired, you might even claim that other denominations of Christianity
have got it wrong.

How can you possibly judge that those books are not valid proof, but yours is?

Answer is you can't.

The bible is proof of nothing.

Have you read every other religious text before jumping to your conclusions about
their legitimacy?


Your rebuttal to me says 'if coney is the correct translation' ...

you yourself are placing doubt on the translation of the bible you yourself were
pointing to, to prove its 'truth'.

You are admitting it can't be relied upon to even mean what it says.
You are admitting it might be wrong.

I don't have to prove that it is wrong, you have to prove it's right.

I am not using the bible to make my claim, I am saying you can't rely on it to make
yours.

Apparently you agree.

You can not claim knowledge without facts and verifiable evidence.

You are the one claiming the facts, you are the one claiming the knowledge.

Show us the indisputable verifiable evidence.

Originally posted by googlefudge
You are right that you can't say what is or is not true without knowing the facts.

The problem is that you apply this to everyone but you, and your religion.

The burden of proof is on you to prove your god exists.

To do this you need solid 'irrefutable' testable evidence.

You don't have any, the way I know this is you bring up the bible as pr ...[text shortened]... he one claiming the knowledge.

Show us the indisputable verifiable evidence.

I am sure you would like to prove the Holy Bible false but nobody has
been able to do it. Claiming it is a bunch of fairy tales or that it has
many errors does not prove anything. As is pointed out by one of the
links is that not everything can be proved scientifically, somethings
must be proved in a legal manner. So I will say reread the links I
provided with an open mind and then we may be able to discuss this
rationally.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I am sure you would like to prove the Holy Bible false but nobody has
been able to do it. Claiming it is a bunch of fairy tales or that it has
many errors does not prove anything. As is pointed out by one of the
links is that not everything can be proved scientifically, somethings
must be proved in a legal manner. So I will say reread the links I
provided with an open mind and then we may be able to discuss this
rationally.

I don't have to Prove it false!
I am not trying to prove it false!

You are trying to Prove it true.
You have the burden of proof.

And thus far you have not met it.

However if you want me to go through those sites and produce a detailed
rigorous analysis of them, sure I can do that, but it will take a little while.

I will analyse them with more of an open mind that that which you have to
evolution.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I believe one of the references I gave for the proofs states that although
the Holy Bible is known to be written over hundreds of years by many
writers it contains the same theme from Genesis to Revelation. Reread
carefully the referenced links if you wish to learn the truth.

Yet this "Holy Bible" you refer to, does not exist. If I asked you for a copy of it, you could not present it. You have already disputed the meaning of one word, and announced that its meaning is unknown. How can I know that you will not do that for every word in the Bible?

A sentence containing a word whose meaning is unknown cannot be known to hold a truth value. So unless you know the meaning of the word, your assertion that it is true, must be based solely on faith.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Yet this "Holy Bible" you refer to, does not exist. If I asked you for a copy of it, you could not present it. You have already disputed the meaning of one word, and announced that its meaning is unknown. How can I know that you will not do that for every word in the Bible?

A sentence containing a word whose meaning is unknown cannot be known to hold a ...[text shortened]... u know the meaning of the word, your assertion that it is true, must be based solely on faith.

The Holy Bible does exist and attempted translations have been done in
nearly all commomly spoken languages today. You should be able to
go to any Bible Book store and buy one. Many times Christian groups
give them out for free.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The Holy Bible does exist and attempted translations have been done in
nearly all commomly spoken languages today. You should be able to
go to any Bible Book store and buy one. Many times Christian groups
give them out for free.

So all you can give me are "attempted translations". As I said, "The Holy Bible" does not exist.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Proving the bible says things that are true does not make everything in the bible true.

Also claiming you had an idea or made a discovery first, while potentially laudable does
not mean that other claims you make are true.

The problem for theologian as opposed to a historian, is that you have to prove the existence
of the divine, of the supernat ...[text shortened]... ually true.

basically what's the point of your post?
What do you think it demonstrates?

Since we have things in the Holy Bible that we know is true; then that
should give us more faith that the rest of it is also true and that the rest
of the prophecies in the Holy Bible will come true. Nothing in the Holy
Bible has been proven false regardless of the claims. There is no other
religious book that predicts the future with 100% accuracy like the Holy
Bible.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Since we have things in the Holy Bible that we know is true; then that
should give us more faith that the rest of it is also true and that the rest
of the prophecies in the Holy Bible will come true. Nothing in the Holy
Bible has been proven false regardless of the claims. There is no other
religious book that predicts the future with 100% accuracy like the Holy
Bible.

... predicts the future with 100% accuracy...

Sure it does. Cures baldness too.

Originally posted by twhitehead
So all you can give me are "attempted translations". As I said, "The Holy Bible" does not exist.

We also have copies of the Holy Books of the Holy Bible in the
original language, which you seem unaware of. You sir, then,
show yourself as an ignorant and very arrogant idiot.

Originally posted by RJHinds
We also have copies of the Holy Books of the Holy Bible in the
original language, which you seem unaware of. You sir, then,
show yourself as an ignorant and very arrogant idiot.

Resorting to insults only shows that you have no leg left to stand on. "The Holy Bible" does not exist, therefore it cannot be said to be true.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Resorting to insults only shows that you have no leg left to stand on. "The Holy Bible" does not exist, therefore it cannot be said to be true.

Your continued denial that the Holy Bible exists shows that the insults
(or truths) I stated about you is well deserved.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Your continued denial that the Holy Bible exists shows that the insults
(or truths) I stated about you is well deserved.

Present to me a copy of this "Holy Bible" and I will concede the point. However, if I then point out an error or untruth in the copy you have provided, then you will not be able to resort to claims of mistranslation or copying error as the copy you present will be "The Holy Bible" and not some prior unattainable source document.

Originally posted by RJHinds
http://allanturner.com/bibleproofs.html

http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q9_historical_proof_bible.html

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Scientific-Proof-of-Bible.php

http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d740101.htm

The Bible was compiled by the animal killers for the animal killers.

The compilers were poets, academics, politicians, pseudo clergy and meat eaters..

They were not enlightened persons but ignorant speculators.

Their motivation was to create one religion to control the people through fear.

Fear of burning at the stake.

Fear of hell.

Fear of God.

The Bible is devoid of true spiritual knowledge but is full of speculation, fabrication and superstition.

Originally posted by RJHinds
We also have copies of the Holy Books of the Holy Bible in the
original language, which you seem unaware of. You sir, then,
show yourself as an ignorant and very arrogant idiot.

Very christian like.

Originally posted by googlefudge
I don't have to Prove it false!
I am not trying to prove it false!

You are trying to Prove it true.
You have the burden of proof.

And thus far you have not met it.

However if you want me to go through those sites and produce a detailed
rigorous analysis of them, sure I can do that, but it will take a little while.

I will analyse them with more of an open mind that that which you have to
evolution.

There is no reason to prove the Bible true as nothing can be proved false, hence it must be true. Right? Like he said in a previous post that there were many times people tried proving the Bible false but could not find any real evidence to backup their case.

After reading all this sites listed (left out some paragraphs here and there) it made me feel good and the reason why I say so is that once a person like yourself will now make time to read through all of it with an open mind you may come to find the truth about the Bible. Now some things I still don't understand but it is only because I have not got the wisdom to understand some stuff, and I often ask myself the question - do I really need to - and the answer is yes even if I have to force it upon me.

It is because of the lack of wisdom that people do not understand Spirituality. I am not saying anyone that does not belief in Christianity does not have wisdom 🙂, they just don't have enough yet 😉

I hope you find the truth in your analysis.