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    If no one ascended to heaven prior to Jesus Christ, where are all the good people that
    lived before him?

    (John 3:13) . . .Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended
    from heaven, the Son of man.
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    Abraham's bosom, paradise.
    http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/abrahams.html
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    04 Feb '12 19:211 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    If no one ascended to heaven prior to Jesus Christ, where are all the good people that
    lived before him?

    (John 3:13) . . .Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended
    from heaven, the Son of man.
    The physical bodies of all dead humans are in the grave. Their spirit or life has gone back to God. What God has done with them [the life force or spirit] is not clearly explained in the Bible. We could speculate about hell and suffering and Abrahams bosom and wherever, but it would still all be speculation. There are many non-inspired writings which have lots of explanations and stories about different levels of heavens and places where the dead go but .. its all speculation. God only knows. One thing is for sure .. we will all know the answers one day soon .. 🙂

    In addition Enoch, Elijah did not die according to the Bible. There could be others. Where did they go ?
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    Originally posted by Rajk999
    The physical bodies of all dead humans are in the grave. Their spirit or life has gone back to God. What God has done with them [the life force or spirit] is not clearly explained in the Bible. We could speculate about hell and suffering and Abrahams bosom and wherever, but it would still all be speculation. There are many non-inspired writings which have l ...[text shortened]... ion Enoch, Elijah did not die according to the Bible. There could be others. Where did they go ?
    Another thing the Bible says that "in that day ( of death ) his thoughts parish". So this life or spirit you are explaining does go back to God but nothing of a consciousness exist.

    A couple versions....

    Psalm 146:4
    New Living Translation (NLT)

    4 When they breathe their last, they return to the earth,
    and all their plans die with them.


    Psalm 146:4
    Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

    4His spirit goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, In that day have his thoughts perished.
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    04 Feb '12 20:46
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    If no one ascended to heaven prior to Jesus Christ, where are all the good people that
    lived before him?

    (John 3:13) . . .Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended
    from heaven, the Son of man.
    Their all in heaven sitting on fluffy clouds and playing harps Robbie. You dummy...Lol.
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    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    If no one ascended to heaven prior to Jesus Christ, where are all the good people that
    lived before him?

    (John 3:13) . . .Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended
    from heaven, the Son of man.
    "There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
    'And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
    "And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 'And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
    "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
    "And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
    "But Abraham said, Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented.
    "And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from there to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there.
    "Then he said, I pray therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house:
    "For I have five brothers; that he may testify unto them, unless they also come into this place of torment.
    'Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
    'And he said, No, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
    "And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead" (Luke 16:19-31).
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    Originally posted by galveston75
    Another thing the Bible says that "in that day ( of death ) his thoughts parish". So this life or spirit you are explaining does go back to God but nothing of a consciousness exist.

    A couple versions....

    Psalm 146:4
    New Living Translation (NLT)

    4 When they breathe their last, they return to the earth,
    and all their plans die with them. ...[text shortened]...
    4His spirit goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, In that day have his thoughts perished.
    The Bible says a lot more than that .. so like I said, there is not a clear doctrine regarding that issue. Its all speculation.
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    04 Feb '12 21:12
    Originally posted by Doward
    "There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
    'And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
    "And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 'And it came to pass, that the begga ...[text shortened]... either will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead" (Luke 16:19-31).
    yes i am well aware of the illustration, perhaps after looking at the details you may
    realise that its not literal, as if a drop of water on the tip of someone's finger could
    quench someone burning in a fiery torment.

    Neeeeext!
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    04 Feb '12 21:13
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Their all in heaven sitting on fluffy clouds and playing harps Robbie. You dummy...Lol.
    dum maro dum, met jaega ghum, bolo subah sham, hare krishna hare ram! 😛
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    04 Feb '12 21:14
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    The physical bodies of all dead humans are in the grave. Their spirit or life has gone back to God. What God has done with them [the life force or spirit] is not clearly explained in the Bible. We could speculate about hell and suffering and Abrahams bosom and wherever, but it would still all be speculation. There are many non-inspired writings which have l ...[text shortened]... ion Enoch, Elijah did not die according to the Bible. There could be others. Where did they go ?
    not a bad post ol Raji, yes not bad indeed.
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    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    not a bad post ol Raji, yes not bad indeed.
    Thanks. What is the JW position on that same issue?
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    04 Feb '12 23:473 edits
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yes i am well aware of the illustration, perhaps after looking at the details you may
    realise that its not literal, as if a drop of water on the tip of someone's finger could
    quench someone burning in a fiery torment.

    Neeeeext!
    So you are dismissing the words of Christ then? Are you saying that he was lying when he gave us the parable?

    1 Peter 3: 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,[i] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits- 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.
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    Actually Who cares ?






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    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    dum maro dum, met jaega ghum, bolo subah sham, hare krishna hare ram! 😛
    Yeah exactly. Lol
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    Originally posted by menace71
    Actually Who cares ?






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