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Originally posted by @vivifyThe evidence seems to suggest that the universe is not eternal and hence requires a cause. God by definition would be the uncaused first cause of the universe. If you believe God can't be eternal, why don't you apply the same logic to the universe?
If you believe that the universe couldn't have been created without a designer, why do you not apply that same logic to God?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou seem to be asserting that God is the uncaused first cause of the universe because God is, by definition, the uncaused first cause of the universe.
The evidence seems to suggest that the universe is not eternal and hence requires a cause. God by definition would be the uncaused first cause of the universe. If you believe God can't be eternal, why don't you apply the same logic to the universe?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerIs your assertion that it is "self-evident", in and of itself, the evidence you have that your god figure is the uncaused first cause of the universe?
God being the uncaused first cause of the universe is a self-evident proposition. To me at least.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou have sidestepped my question with an evasive counter-question.
Have you ever heard of a presupposition?
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Originally posted by @fmfNo. It is a philosophical presupposition. If you don't know what that is look it up. How do you believe the universe came in existence?
Is your assertion that it is "self-evident", in and of itself, the evidence you have that your god figure is the uncaused first cause of the universe?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerTo assert your personal opinion that something - by which I mean something that you have admitted you cannot prove is true in that past - is simply "self-evident" and then base other conjecture upon it is not something you can claim is "objective". Or do you accept you are being subjective about this?
No. It is a philosophical presupposition. If you don't know what that is look it up.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerMy answer to this is the same as it was the previous two or three times it cropped up and we discussed it in 2016 and 2017.
How do you believe the universe came in existence?
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Originally posted by @fmfI'll answer your questions once you go back and answer my questions that you have ignored.
To assert your personal opinion that something - by which I mean something that you have admitted you cannot prove is true in that past - is simply "self-evident" and then base other conjecture upon it is not something you can claim is "objective". Or do you accept you are being subjective about this?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerDon't worry about it then. My questions contained a clear point, and the point is made.
I'll answer your questions once you go back and answer my questions that you have ignored.