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Originally posted by @dj2beckerOf course I do. Good grief. What a daft question. It's as if you have never read any of my posts.
Would you agree that you also make assumptions that you cannot prove?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerOf course I do. Good grief. What a daft question. It's as if you have never read any of my posts.
Would you agree that you also make assumptions that you cannot prove?
Originally posted by @fmfNeither have I ever claimed that I can prove the existence of God. It's as if you have never read any of my posts either.
Of course I do. Good grief. What a daft question. It's as if you have never read any of my posts.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI didn't say you did. Indeed, I specifically acknowledged that you conceded that you cannot "prove the existence of God". This is a clear indication that I, in fact, do read your posts.
Neither have I ever claimed that I can prove the existence of God. It's as if you have never read any of my posts either.
Originally posted by @vivifyI do
If you believe that the universe couldn't have been created without a designer, why do you not apply that same logic to God?
Originally posted by @fmfBy 'concede' you mean I claimed overwise before? 🙄
I didn't say you did. Indeed, I specifically acknowledged that you conceded that you cannot "prove the existence of God". This is a clear indication that I, in fact, do read your posts.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerNo. Don't be silly. It means that you eventually conceded that you couldn't prove it after insisting for weeks and weeks ~ when you were posting as Fetchmyjunk, if I recall correctly ~ that what you were claiming constituted "objective reality", "universal truths", and "brute facts".
By 'concede' you mean I claimed overwise before? 🙄
Originally posted by @fmfIt seems everything I posted went straight over your head. That fact that I believe in objective reality and universal truths doesn't mean that every single thing I believe is a universal truth.
No. Don't be silly. It means that you eventually conceded that you couldn't prove it after insisting for weeks and weeks ~ when you were posting as Fetchmyjunk, if I recall correctly ~ that what you were claiming constituted "objective reality", "universal truths", and "brute facts".
Originally posted by @dj2beckerNot so. Nothing you have posted has gone over my head. That fact that you unilaterally declare the things you happen to believe ~ when it comes to supernatural phenomena and divine beings ~ to be "objective reality" and "universal truths" and "brute facts" is about as utterly and undisguisedly subjective as you could possibly be.
It seems everything I posted went straight over your head. That fact that I believe in objective reality and universal truths doesn't mean that every single thing I believe is a universal truth.
Originally posted by @fmfCertain truths are objective, do you deny this?
Not so. Nothing you have posted has gone over my head. That fact that you unilaterally declare the things you happen to believe ~ when it comes to supernatural phenomena and divine beings ~ to be "objective reality" and "universal truths" and "brute facts" is about as utterly and undisguisedly subjective as you could possibly be.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerNot when it comes to supernatural phenomena and divine beings.
Certain truths are objective, do you deny this?
Originally posted by @fmfWhy not?
Not when it comes to supernatural phenomena and divine beings.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWe've been here before. I must have written 3,000 posts to you about your application of the word "objective" to your superstitious beliefs regarding things you cannot prove ~ regarding things that nobody can prove. Refer to some of those '3,000 posts'. You know my stance on it. You know - full well - my answer to the question "Why not?"
Why not?
Originally posted by @fmfWould you agree that fact that you are going to die one day is an objective truth that you cannot prove yet?
We've been here before. I must have written 3,000 posts to you about your application of the word "objective" to your superstitious beliefs regarding things you cannot prove ~ regarding things that nobody can prove. Refer to some of those '3,000 posts'. You know my stance on it. You know - full well - my answer to the question "Why not?"
Originally posted by @dj2beckerDying is a natural thing ~ with countless billions of instances of it occurring to prove that death is an undeniable fact of life. Dying is not a supernatural thing.
Would you agree that fact that you are going to die one day is an objective truth that you cannot prove yet?
Originally posted by @fmfIf it were true that God created the universe that would be an objective fact that we cannot prove at this point in time but we would find this out in the future. The universe exists. The truth of how it got here would be objectively true regardless of what we believed about it at this point in time. In due time we should find out either way. The evidence that points to a Creator is there for everyone to see. You can obviously choose to bury your head in the sand and pretend that it is not there.
Dying is a natural thing ~ with countless billions of instances of it occurring to prove that death is an undeniable fact of life. Dying is not a supernatural thing.