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Originally posted by FMFIf you disagree feel free to show me how one objective opinion can be more valid than another.
Do they?
Originally posted by FMFI believe in the existence of objective good and evil. I believe certain actions are always wrong regardless of what other people may think. The only way I see that to be logically possible is if there are to exist moral absolutes. Moral absolutes are only possible if there were to exist an objective moral law by which we can differentiate between good and evil. And such an objective moral law requires a moral lawgiver whose authority cannot be challenged. In my mind a God figure fits such a role.
Do you think your superstitions are "objective"?
Originally posted by JS357The existence or non existence of moral absolutes. If they do exist, it would follow logically that one view could be more valid than the other. If they don't exist, I see no reason why they wouldn't be equally valid.
IOW: What are your criteria of validity?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkAll this is the result of your subjective opinions stacked one on top of the other until you arrive at what you see as being the "objective" view that the moral stances and interpretations and viewpoints that you espouse are "universal truths", right?
I believe in the existence of objective good and evil. I believe certain actions are always wrong regardless of what other people may think. The only way I see that to be logically possible is if there are to exist moral absolutes. Moral absolutes are only possible if there were to exist an objective moral law by which we can differentiate between good a ...[text shortened]... a moral lawgiver whose authority cannot be challenged. In my mind a God figure fits such a role.
Originally posted by FMFIn epistemology, a presupposition relates to a belief system, that is required for the argument to make sense.
All this is the result of your subjective opinions stacked one on top of the other until you arrive at what you see as being the "objective" view that the moral stances and interpretations and viewpoints that you espouse are "universal truths", right?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI think you are confusing unilateral declarations about the supposed "universality" of your personal opinions for "objectivity".
In epistemology, a presupposition relates to a belief system, that is required for the argument to make sense.
I think you are confusing my presuppositions with 'subjective opinions'.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkIf you woke up tomorrow not believing in God, would you rush out into the street in search of a baby to torture?!
Yes I cannot accept that the view 'torturing a baby for fun is morally acceptable' is equally valid to the view 'torturing a baby for fun is not morally acceptable'. Why can you?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYour entirely subjective assertions about the bearing you imagine supernatural phenomena have on your personal moral code indeed serve no purpose as far as I am concerned.
It seems you don't know what the presuppositions of a belief system are, and what purpose they serve.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeIf someone did happen to believe it was morally justifiable to do so, why would their opinion be less valid than yours if there are no moral absolutes?
If you woke up tomorrow not believing in God, would you rush out into the street in search of a baby to torture?!
Your view of humanity is appalling, if it takes belief in a God to make you human.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkThat reply just completely ignores what I posted, so here it is again:
If someone did happen to believe it was morally justifiable to do so, why would their opinion be less valid than yours if there are no moral absolutes?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkSorry this post should have read:
If you disagree feel free to show me how one objective opinion can be more valid than another.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeProbably not, because I have a God given conscience.
That reply just completely ignores what I posted, so here it is again:
If you woke up tomorrow not believing in God, would you rush out into the street in search of a baby to torture?!
Your view of humanity is appalling, if it takes belief in a God to make you human.