Originally posted by NickstenI'm not sure what you mean by 'see', but although most of the atheists I know (me included), deny the existence of the supernatural, this doesn't mean that they have to see things this way. Atheism is strictly a denial of the existence of god(s). It says nothing about the potential for other supernatural entities to be considerable.
In what way then can an atheist see a supernatural world?
Personally I find this hard to come to terms with, if I apply the same rational which I believe justifies my atheism to the subject of any other supernatural entity or concept I get the same answers. But, having said that, there are different types of atheism and different rationale supports the views thereof, so others may not deal with the supernatural on the same basis.
Originally posted by Starrmannicely said, thanks.
I see, well let me put it this way. If you thought about the world a specific way, would you step away from the world you disagreed with? Or would you venture towards it in the hope of clarificating your views, questioning yourself to make sure you have made the right decision, or perhaps just to find out if there's anything else to be gained that you mig ...[text shortened]... is really just the journey of self knowledge and the knowledge of where you fit in with others.
Originally posted by NickstenEx. A supernatural world exists where dead people's souls go when they die. Forces from the supernatural influence what happens in the physical world. There is no god involved.
In what way then can an atheist see a supernatural world?
It's really quite simple to divorce a supernatural world from the idea of gods.
Originally posted by telerionAnything but Christianity, eh?
Ex. A supernatural world exists where dead people's souls go when they die. Forces from the supernatural influence what happens in the physical world. There is no god involved.
It's really quite simple to divorce a supernatural world from the idea of gods.
Originally posted by lucifershammerFor Chrissake's Lu Lu, I would think some one like you who is so fond of finding counterexamples would recognize what I'm saying.
Anything but Christianity, eh?
You have completely missed the point of the thread. In the past however you have gone easy on my transgressions, so I'll cut you some slack on this one.
Originally posted by telerionYou have completely missed the point of the thread.
For Chrissake's Lu Lu, I would think some one like you who is so fond of finding counterexamples would recognize what I'm saying.
You have completely missed the point of the thread. In the past however you have gone easy on my transgressions, so I'll cut you some slack on this one.
It must be a theist thing, since this has eluded me too.
Originally posted by HalitoseFrom the OP:
[b]You have completely missed the point of the thread.
It must be a theist thing, since this has eluded me too.[/b]
"[D]oes an atheist believe in any kind of Spirituality?"
Followed by:
"In what way then can an atheist see a supernatural world?"
Then I respond with an example of how an atheist could believe in a supernatural world. Given the way Nick uses words, "see" seemed to mean "believe in" so my response was directly related to both the OP and the immediate question.
Then Lu Lu:
"Anything but Christianity, eh?"
What? What does xianity have to do with anything? We've been talking about atheism and spirituality. His statement was out of left field. He could have asked "Anything but Islam, eh?" or "Anything but Zoroastrianism, eh?" or "Anything but Hinduism, eh?" Each one of these questions would have been just as arbitrary and tangential as the one asked in his post.
Anyway, that's what I meant by completely missing the point of the thread. I didn't feel like going off on it, but since you asked I figured I'd be more clear.
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Originally posted by telerionThanks. It's quite clear now.
From the OP:
"[D]oes an atheist believe in any kind of Spirituality?"
Followed by:
"In what way then can an atheist see a supernatural world?"
Then I respond with an example of how an atheist could believe in a supernatural world. Given the way Nick uses words, "see" seemed to mean "believe in" so my response was directly related to both the OP a feel like going off on it, but since you asked I figured I'd be more clear.
Hopefully your reply to this post will give the bloke who's been rec'ing all your previous posts in this thread more reason to continue. * 🙂
* Jealousy disclaimer.
Originally posted by StarrmanHmmm.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'see', but although most of the atheists I know (me included), deny the existence of the supernatural, this doesn't mean that they have to see things this way. Atheism is strictly a denial of the existence of god(s). It says nothing about the potential for other supernatural entities to be considerable.
Personally I find ...[text shortened]... supports the views thereof, so others may not deal with the supernatural on the same basis.
Not sure I'd agree with that.
Strictly speaking atheism is about a lack of belief in Gods, but surely the thinking that goes into this view would also preclude supernatural effects? Certainly I do.