1. Unknown Territories
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    27 Jun '06 04:05
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Wrong. If they can substantiate their work it passes into the literature. It's only when they make baseless assertions, such as your friend Behe, that they discredit themselves.
    Scott, I hate to bring the bad news to you, but it's just a matter of time before the tide turns and evolution as it currently is pushed will be yesterday's embarrassment.
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    27 Jun '06 04:06
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Scott, I hate to bring the bad news to you, but it's just a matter of time before the tide turns and evolution as it currently is pushed will be yesterday's embarrassment.
    Keep telling yourself that. Evolutionary theory will outlast both you and I.
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    27 Jun '06 04:07
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Keep telling yourself that. Evolutionary theory will outlast both you and I.
    Not in it's current form.
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    27 Jun '06 04:08
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Not in it's current form.
    Oh, perhaps we'll find some new things out, and perhaps refine some of our ideas, but I don't think there are any major surprises.
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    27 Jun '06 04:28
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Oh, perhaps we'll find some new things out, and perhaps refine some of our ideas, but I don't think there are any major surprises.
    It's certainly not a surprise; it's been known for years. There is no mechanism.
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    27 Jun '06 04:29
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    It's certainly not a surprise; it's been known for years. There is no mechanism.
    Certainly not in your mind.
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    27 Jun '06 04:33
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Certainly not in your mind.
    And we know how vast that space is, don't we.
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    27 Jun '06 04:39
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    And we know how vast that space is, don't we.
    Space? Vast and empty.
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    27 Jun '06 04:42
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Space? Vast and empty.
    Thanks for not leaving me hanging.
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    27 Jun '06 04:48
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Thanks for not leaving me hanging.
    Oh?! I thought you meant the place, or lack of it.

    Only kidding Freaky, you knows I loves ya really, but you gotta come off this whole "lack of mechanism" thing; you're just plain wrong.
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    27 Jun '06 04:58
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Oh?! I thought you meant the place, or lack of it.

    Only kidding Freaky, you knows I loves ya really, but you gotta come off this whole "lack of mechanism" thing; you're just plain wrong.
    I'm probably just not very good at decribing it, or you would have already understood the point behind the argument by now. But it's impossible for the mechanism to be its own impetus.

    For instance, can a brain imagine itself into existence? That's essentially what we are saying when we say that natural selection is the cause of... natural selection. Process, force, mechanism?
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    27 Jun '06 05:57
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    I'm probably just not very good at decribing it, or you would have already understood the point behind the argument by now. But it's impossible for the mechanism to be its own impetus.

    For instance, can a brain imagine itself into existence? That's essentially what we are saying when we say that natural selection is the cause of... natural selection. Process, force, mechanism?
    No, your argument is that you shouldn't die when hit by a bus because there is no mechanism.
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    27 Jun '06 06:45
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    It's certainly not a surprise; it's been known for years. There is no mechanism.
    The mechanism of natural selection is not only well known but mathematically proven to work. You may argue that life came about by other means but if you claim that natural selection is not a working mechanism then you are just ignorant.
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    27 Jun '06 08:47
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    I'm probably just not very good at decribing it, or you would have already understood the point behind the argument by now. But it's impossible for the mechanism to be its own impetus.

    For instance, can a brain imagine itself into existence? That's essentially what we are saying when we say that natural selection is the cause of... natural selection. Process, force, mechanism?
    You don't love me too? :'(
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    27 Jun '06 14:12
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    You don't love me too? :'(
    I thought it was a given. Sorry to leave you hanging! 😉
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