Originally posted by KellyJayA singluarity is unlike anything else. It does not conform to our rules of physics, it has infinite mass, density and energy in zero space.
Singularity
A singularity is something is it not, so having a singularity is not having a point where there is nothing.
I'm not sure what the difference between 'nothing' and 'absolute nothing' is, maybe you can enlighten me. 🙂
I can understand about the physical rules breaking down in the minds of men, but that does not mean much does it? Somethi ...[text shortened]... s a place for the metaphysical it isn't my fault that people want to reject that.
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Originally posted by scottishinnzMuch like seconds and minutes are measurement of time, the dimension of time would still exist regardless of how we measure it, the same way the spacial dimensions would.
No. Other than as a concept in our heads, where, true, it has biochemistry and neurons which trigger that response.
An inch is not length. AN inch is a measurement of length.
Originally posted by KellyJayI'm not sure what the difference between 'nothing' and 'absolute nothing' is, maybe you can enlighten me.
Singularity
A singularity is something is it not, so having a singularity is not having a point where there is nothing.
I'm not sure what the difference between 'nothing' and 'absolute nothing' is, maybe you can enlighten me. 🙂
I can understand about the physical rules breaking down in the minds of men, but that does not mean much does it? Somethi ...[text shortened]... s a place for the metaphysical it isn't my fault that people want to reject that.
Kelly
I just meant absolutely nothing, including time-space dimensionality—i.e. not just empty space “somewhere.”
For now, I only admit metaphysics as (sometimes quite enjoyable and aesthetic) speculation about what we really can’t know. For instance, there very well might be aspects of the natural universe that transcend our ability to understand them, but that doesn’t mean that we have to ascribe “supernatural” content to those areas of “mystery.” (A scientist qua scientists would, of course, be remiss if they made such an assumption: what we think is not merely unknown but unknowable today may become knowable. Even a nontheist metaphysician could be guilty of a kind of “god of the gaps” thinking....)
Originally posted by scottishinnzCool, you can believe in infinite mass, density, and energy in zero space, but things like before, during, and after escape your understanding.
A singluarity is unlike anything else. It does not conform to our rules of physics, it has infinite mass, density and energy in zero space.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI never said it was "common sense" there is nothing common about it. I didn't even say we could comprehend it, or even be able to describe it properly, but that's just how it is. Our language did not evolve in an environment where he had to describe these things, or we'd have better words.
ROFL
You are the one arguing an event can occur, yet nothing could happen before that event, and that to you does not sound stupid?
Kelly
Originally posted by Bad wolfGood, finally got back to this one!
I'm confused, does the universe have a finite amount of material/dimensions in it, but they call it infinite becuase it contains everything. 😕
Okay KM assumes that the Universe is a finite thing - a lump of something, if you will. It is not. The universe is the totality of all things. You cannot say that the universe was created in the same way that a brick is made.
The universe is infinite in that it doesn't have any known edge - there is nothing beyond the other side! If there was, it'd be the universe too! The universe is infinite in the sense that there is nothing outside of it -it curves round on itself, so to speak too.