Relationship with Christ V Obeying His Commandments

Originally posted by @sonship
The relationship with Christ commences by RECEIVING Christ.
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<scans the room>

I guess you are talking about something in your heart, and no where else.

Originally posted by @apathist
<scans the room>

I guess you are talking about something in your heart, and no where else.

That's right that you "guess".

Originally posted by @romans1009
You’re blinded by hate, rajk. You didn’t read what I wrote, rajk. People who are in a relationship with Christ and who love Him will seek to follow His commandments out of love and gratitude, not out of duty and obligation. And it’s those who are in a relationship with Christ and who love Him who will be more successful in following His commandments and ...[text shortened]... abide in Christ in difficult times.

What is your source or motivation for abiding in Christ?

You will never find that garbage in the Bible.
That is your church pastor preaching lies

Here are the words of Jesus Christ:

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him.
(John 14:21 KJV)

Keep the commandments
If you do that you show that you love Jesus Christ
Then God loves you in return
Then will Jesus manifested himself ti you.

Your pastor has it upside down.

Originally posted by @rajk999
You will never find that garbage in the Bible.
That is your church pastor preaching lies

Here are the words of Jesus Christ:

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him.
(John 14:21 KJV)

[b]Keep the co ...[text shortened]... you in return
Then will Jesus manifested himself ti you.

Your pastor has it upside down.[/b]

If what you claim is true, why would Jesus Christ have sacrificed Himself on the cross to atone for the sins of mankind?

“For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.”

(Romans 5:6-10)

Originally posted by @romans1009
If what you claim is true, why would Jesus Christ have sacrificed Himself on the cross to atone for the sins of mankind?

“For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

But God commendeth his love toward us ...[text shortened]... eath of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.”

(Romans 5:6-10)

Thats for you to figure out tiger. Go ask your pastor that question.
Clearly your doctrine is contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

And it s the same story thoughtout the the Bible.

Follow the commandments THEN you are a friend of God
Ye are my disciples IF you do whatever I command you
You are my brothers and sisters IF do the will of God.

You do not understand what is the purpose of the death of Christ.
It is not an escape route for you to continue to sin or escape
following the commandments of Christ.

Your church and your pastor has you deluded.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Thats for you to figure out tiger. Go ask your pastor that question.
Clearly your doctrine is contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

And it s the same story thoughtout the the Bible.

Follow the commandments THEN you are a friend of God
Ye are my disciples IF you do whatever I command you
You are my brothers and sisters IF do the will of God.

You d ...[text shortened]... r escape
following the commandments of Christ.

Your church and your pastor has you deluded.

<<It is not an escape route for you to continue to sin or escape
following the commandments of Christ.>>

Never said it was - that’s you bearing false witness against me again.

Good grief, amigo. Do you ever stop sinning?

Bearing false witness, condemning people to hell, attacking people who go to church, mocking people who read the Bible, promoting false doctrines, puffing out your chest...

Is that how you represent Jesus Christ?

Originally posted by @romans1009
<<It is not an escape route for you to continue to sin or escape
following the commandments of Christ.>>

Never said it was - that’s you bearing false witness against me again.

Good grief, amigo. Do you ever stop sinning?

Bearing false witness, condemning people to hell, attacking people who go to church, mocking people who read the Bible, promoting false doctrines, puffing out your chest...

Is that how you represent Jesus Christ?

Your church doctrine is contrary to Christ

Dont shoot the messenger. Shoot your pastor

Originally posted by @sonship
That's right that you "guess".

It's called 'faith' for a reason.

Kinds of Relationships.

What kind of Relationship ? Is Jesus your Lord and Saviour?
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? (Luke 6:46 KJV)

IF you OBEY His commandments THEN he is your Lord.
IF you DISOBEY His commandments THEN he is NOT your Lord.

Any relationship with God and Jesus Christ is based on obedience.
Disobedience = No Relationship.

Friends of Christ?

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. (John 15:14 KJV)

IF you OBEY His commandments THEN he is your friend
IF you DISOBEY His commandments THEN he is NOT your friend

Originally posted by @rajk999
Friends of Christ?

[b]Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. (John 15:14 KJV)

IF you OBEY His commandments THEN he is your friend
IF you DISOBEY His commandments THEN he is NOT your friend[/b]

“We love him, because he first loved us.”

(1 John 4:19)

Originally posted by @rajk999
Your church doctrine is contrary to Christ

Dont shoot the messenger. Shoot your pastor

Shoot my pastor?

The amount of hatred in you is incredible.

Read these verses, amigo:

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

We love him, because he first loved us.

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.”

(1 John 4)

Originally posted by @rajk999
Friends of Christ?

[b]Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. (John 15:14 KJV)

IF you OBEY His commandments THEN he is your friend
IF you DISOBEY His commandments THEN he is NOT your friend[/b]

Are you planning to address this post?

“If what you claim is true, why would Jesus Christ have sacrificed Himself on the cross to atone for the sins of mankind?

“For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.” ”

(Romans 5:6-10)

Originally posted by @romans1009
Are you planning to address this post?

“If what you claim is true, why would Jesus Christ have sacrificed Himself on the cross to atone for the sins of mankind?

“For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to ...[text shortened]... th of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.” ”

(Romans 5:6-10)

Christ died so that you can sin .. I see.
Nice false doctrine you got there 😀

Originally posted by @rajk999
Christ died so that you can sin .. I see.
Nice false doctrine you got there 😀

You still don’t understand?

Do you think anyone is capable of living a sin-free life, bearing in mind that bearing false witness (lying) is a sin, coveting is a sin, being angry at someone is a sin and looking on a woman with lust in your heart is a sin?

People who have God’s Holy Spirit within them (due to fulfilling John 3:16 and/or Romans 10:9) and who have a relationship with Jesus Christ will naturally sin less, but as long as we are in the flesh and in a sinful world, we will never be able to live a sin-free life.

Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament, spoke of the struggle between the Spirit and the flesh in Galatians 5 and Romans 7. They’re worth reading.