22 Jan '14 23:27>1 edit
This is a common point of contention that I would like to discuss, away from
the arguments that it gets embedded in.
This can be in discussions about morality, or meaning, or other things I can't
think of right now.
But lets take morality as a an example for the moment.
Many if not most religions espouse Moral Absolutism.
They have a set of moral rules or laws which are absolute and invariant.
It doesn't matter who you are or what circumstance you find yourself in [the]
acts proscribed by these laws as immoral are always immoral.
Regardless of the consequences.
It is often claimed by those who hold to such systems that the alternative is
Moral Relativism.
That 'if you don't have Absolute morality the alternative is morality that is
subjective and relative. And that nobody can claim their morality is any better
than any other and one culture can't criticise any other for their morality because
none can be said to be better than any other.' [It is also claimed that such morality
must be subjective and that their morality is objective]
This isn't true.
Moral Absolutism and Moral Relativism are not exhaustive and exclusive.
And being Absolute doesn't mean that the morality isn't Subjective.
A moral system is Subjective if it is based simply on the views/feelings/whim/command
of a mind, and not on anything measurable in the world/reality.
A moral system dictated by a god is based on the views/feelings/whim/command of a mind,
the mind of the god in question. And is thus Subjective, as well as potentially being Absolute.
An Objective morality IS based on measurable aspects of our reality and is not necessarily
Relative OR Absolute. What is wrong in one situation might be right in another.
Such a system can fall under the heading of Moral Universalism and/or Moral Objectivism.
As with anything in philosophy you can go down the rabbit hole with all the different variations
and subsets, but my point is that having a moral system that isn't absolute does not mean
that you must necessarily then have a moral system that is relative or subjective.
This was particularly prompted by the discussion in that thread "If no God - What Meaning ?"
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=157510
the arguments that it gets embedded in.
This can be in discussions about morality, or meaning, or other things I can't
think of right now.
But lets take morality as a an example for the moment.
Many if not most religions espouse Moral Absolutism.
They have a set of moral rules or laws which are absolute and invariant.
It doesn't matter who you are or what circumstance you find yourself in [the]
acts proscribed by these laws as immoral are always immoral.
Regardless of the consequences.
It is often claimed by those who hold to such systems that the alternative is
Moral Relativism.
That 'if you don't have Absolute morality the alternative is morality that is
subjective and relative. And that nobody can claim their morality is any better
than any other and one culture can't criticise any other for their morality because
none can be said to be better than any other.' [It is also claimed that such morality
must be subjective and that their morality is objective]
This isn't true.
Moral Absolutism and Moral Relativism are not exhaustive and exclusive.
And being Absolute doesn't mean that the morality isn't Subjective.
A moral system is Subjective if it is based simply on the views/feelings/whim/command
of a mind, and not on anything measurable in the world/reality.
A moral system dictated by a god is based on the views/feelings/whim/command of a mind,
the mind of the god in question. And is thus Subjective, as well as potentially being Absolute.
An Objective morality IS based on measurable aspects of our reality and is not necessarily
Relative OR Absolute. What is wrong in one situation might be right in another.
Such a system can fall under the heading of Moral Universalism and/or Moral Objectivism.
As with anything in philosophy you can go down the rabbit hole with all the different variations
and subsets, but my point is that having a moral system that isn't absolute does not mean
that you must necessarily then have a moral system that is relative or subjective.
This was particularly prompted by the discussion in that thread "If no God - What Meaning ?"
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=157510