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    30 Aug '05 01:02
    All you freaking God-botherers probably do not realise that religion is used to stop you from questioning the status quo.
    It encourages you to accept your lot in life and not challenge the financial inequalities in society.
    God made you the way you are, and who are you to question his wisdom by protesting about injustices around you.

    After all, in the hymn "All things bright and beautiful" the following verse says it all:

    "The rich man in his castle,
    The poor man at his gate,
    He made them, high or lowly,
    And ordered their estate."

    So the next time you are in church and the collection plate is passed, just have a think about why you are giving money to an oppressive regime.
    Wonder also why you are contributing to the church's state:
    If the church has fallen on hard times and needs your money to survive then by donating, you are contravening God's will.

    Remember;
    "The rich man in his castle,
    The poor man at his gate,
    He made them, high or lowly,
    And ordered their estate."
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    30 Aug '05 04:37
    Originally posted by howardgee
    All you freaking God-botherers probably do not realise that religion is used to stop you from questioning the status quo.
    It encourages you to accept your lot in life and not challenge the financial inequalities in society.
    God made you the way you are, and who are you to question his wisdom by protesting about injustices around you.

    After all, in the ...[text shortened]... is castle,
    The poor man at his gate,
    He made them, high or lowly,
    And ordered their estate."
    Tell that to Reverend Ike.

    http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=28504
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    30 Aug '05 08:14
    Didn't Martin Luther King question the status qou? He was a Christian, and many who went to jail with him during the Cival Rights struggle were also. There are numerous other examples throughout history of Christians who fought for Social Justice. I'm a bit busy now but will try to post more later.
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    30 Aug '05 08:491 edit
    'If you want to know what God thinks of money just look at who He gives it too.'

    -old Irish saying
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    30 Aug '05 09:59
    Originally posted by howardgee
    All you freaking God-botherers probably do not realise that religion is used to stop you from questioning the status quo.
    It encourages you to accept your lot in life and not challenge the financial inequalities in society.
    God made you the way you are, and who are you to question his wisdom by protesting about injustices around you.

    After all, in the ...[text shortened]... is castle,
    The poor man at his gate,
    He made them, high or lowly,
    And ordered their estate."
    Any system of control constitutes an oppressive regime.
    Christianity at least attempts to spend money wisely and
    stands for the 'good' of mankind.

    You don't have to believe in God to be a good Christian.
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    30 Aug '05 10:05
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    Any system of control constitutes an oppressive regime.
    Christianity at least attempts to spend money wisely and
    stands for the 'good' of mankind.

    You don't have to believe in God to be a good Christian.
    no-you don't have to beleive in God to be a good person. If you do not love God you are not a Christain, and to love Him you have to beleive in him...
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    30 Aug '05 10:07
    Originally posted by genius
    no-you don't have to beleive in God to be a good person. If you do not love God you are not a Christain, and to love Him you have to beleive in him...
    And what if you were to believe God is life and love life but not believe that God is sentient? Where would that put a person?
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    30 Aug '05 10:11
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    And what if you were to believe God is life and love life but not believe that God is sentient? Where would that put a person?
    well then you are not a Christian as you do not Love the Christain God.
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    30 Aug '05 10:131 edit
    Originally posted by genius
    well then you are not a Christian as you do not Love the Christain God.
    But the Bible says that God is life.
    If a person loves life aren't they loving the same thing as Christians?

    Does a person have to believe in scriptures and texts to be a Christian?
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    30 Aug '05 10:221 edit
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    But the Bible says that God is life.
    If a person loves life aren't they loving the same thing as Christians?

    Does a person have to believe in scriptures and texts to be a Christian?
    If a person loves life aren't they loving the same thing as Christians?

    Christians love life and the God who created it...

    Does a person have to believe in scriptures and texts to be a Christian?

    Technically I don't think so, but IMHO to be a Christian in the broader sense of the word, you need to be a follower of Christ.

    edit1: darn. Sorry Genius. I should have listened to my mom who taught me never to interrupt adults when they are having a discussion.
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    30 Aug '05 10:23
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    But the Bible says that God is life.
    I love life so I love God.

    Do I have to believe in scriptures and texts to be a Christian?
    can i get a reference for where it says "God is life"?

    and to be a Christain you have to beleive that Christ died to save you, love him, and have faith in the God of Abraham and Moses. Many Jews love Him and have faith in Him. But are they Christians? no.

    Basically, a Christain is someone who follows Christ.
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    30 Aug '05 10:28
    Originally posted by genius
    can i get a reference for where it says "God is life"?

    and to be a Christain you have to beleive that Christ died to save you, love him, and have faith in the God of Abraham and Moses. Many Jews love Him and have faith in Him. But are they Christians? no.

    Basically, a Christain is someone who follows Christ.
    God is the Creator of the whole world, both visible and invisible, and the source of all life, and of everything which is good (Gen. 1:1–2;25; Job 33:4; Col. 3:4), He Himself being life (Deut. 30:20; John 11:25; 14:6).

    Not sure how accurate these are, I'm not a great bible reader.
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    30 Aug '05 10:30
    Originally posted by Halitose
    [b]If a person loves life aren't they loving the same thing as Christians?

    Christians love life and the God who created it...

    Does a person have to believe in scriptures and texts to be a Christian?

    Technically I don't think so, but IMHO to be a Christian in the broader sense of the word, you need to be a follower of Christ.

    ...[text shortened]... ve listened to my mom who taught me never to interrupt adults when they are having a discussion.[/b]
    OK, let's say I'm a follower of Christ but I believe him to be a prophet and not the son of God. Does that exclude me from Christianity?
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    30 Aug '05 10:33
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    OK, let's say I'm a follower of Christ but I believe him to be a prophet and not the son of God. Does that exclude me from Christianity?
    It kinda destroys the whole point of Christianity then, because a prophet can't save mankind by dying.
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    30 Aug '05 10:381 edit
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    OK, let's say I'm a follower of Christ but I believe him to be a prophet and not the son of God. Does that exclude me from Christianity?
    yes, read the verse from john that you gave me (and the one after it) 😛

    Jesus says "I am the resurrection and the life."

    so, you beleive Jesus was a meer prophet? now that is a pretty big statement for a prophet!
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