12 Dec 07
Originally posted by josephwDon't you think that everybody has a right to live? They should not be allowed to murder innocent people (or guilty people for that matter), of course. I don't approve of the death penalty for anyone, and the idea of people killing each other doesn't give me any joy, no matter how much I may dislike their beliefs or actions.
They're dead anyway.
Honestly, I'd like them to know Jesus, but as long as they continue to murder innocent people, why should they be allowed to live?
Think it through why don't you? Do you have to be so anti-Christian that your head is fogged up about intolerance?
I don't have anything against Christians (as long as they don't try to force their beliefs on me or other people), I just don't share their beliefs anymore.
12 Dec 07
Originally posted by NordlysAnymore?
Don't you think that everybody has a right to live? They should not be allowed to murder innocent people (or guilty people for that matter), of course. I don't approve of the death penalty for anyone, and the idea of people killing each other doesn't give me any joy, no matter how much I may dislike their beliefs or actions.
I don't have anything against ...[text shortened]... y to force their beliefs on me or other people), I just don't share their beliefs anymore.
If you ever knew Christ in the first place.
The debate about capital punishment has been hashed out in this forum before.
Murders should be executed. It's called justice. Otherwise we may as well be anarchists.
12 Dec 07
Originally posted by josephwThanks for the ad hominem. I read the post. He was saying that you worship a monster. A monster can be a number of things, but in this context I understand it as an allusion to a fictional evil being. So calling your god a monster suggests that he does not exist. But of course I can't read LemonJello's thoughts; I hope he'll correct me if I am wrong.
You're showing your age. Try reading the post I replied to before making inane comments.
12 Dec 07
Originally posted by josephwWhether or not I knew Christ is debatable - if by "know Christ" you mean a personal relationship with Christ, of course I don't believe anymore that I ever "knew Christ" as I don't believe that's possible - but even if I didn't, I still shared the beliefs. I was only a teenager, I was impressionable and desperately wanted to believe, but that doesn't mean I wasn't serious about my faith.
Anymore?
If you ever knew Christ in the first place.
The debate about capital punishment has been hashed out in this forum before.
Murders should be executed. It's called justice. Otherwise we may as well be anarchists.
What became of Matthew 5:38-39, or Matthew 5:44? And what became of the fifth/sixth (depending on how you count) commandment, "You shall not kill"? Also, to say that it's either execution or anarchy is ridiculous. I didn't say there shouldn't be any consequences for murdering someone.
13 Dec 07
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Originally posted by josephwYou crack me up. I wasn't trying to ascribe the property of being monstrous to God as if I were committing myself to the idea that he is some existent thing. Geez, if we took the time to be rigorous with how we talk about nonexistents, we'd never get anywhere in this particular forum! When I say that you worship a monster here, I am saying something about the hideousness of your own moral notions. Your own sacred accounts show him as often angry, petty, jealous, homophobic, genocidal, unjust, and the like. That you think this sort of behavior is consistent with the pinnacle of moral exemplarity doesn't reflect well. Anyway, my point was that your own putative moral exemplar seems no more tolerant than the radicals you're ragging on in this thread.
You deny the existence of God, and then call him a monster as though he exists. Grow up!
13 Dec 07
Originally posted by LemonJelloHe does exist in spite of what you think. And because of your misguided education about who and what God is you will continue to think you are above anyone who knows and worships a kind and loving father/God.
You crack me up. I wasn't trying to ascribe the property of being monstrous to God as if I were committing myself to the idea that he is some existent thing. Geez, if we took the time to be rigorous with how we talk about nonexistents, we'd never get anywhere in this particular forum! When I say that you worship a monster here, I am saying something ab ...[text shortened]... ve moral exemplar seems no more tolerant than the radicals you're ragging on in this thread.
You've been lied to about God by people who don't know him. They have misrepresented the character of God, and have twisted the truth to support they're hateful doctrine.
You've been duped.