-Removed-I used to think YEC was ridiculous until someone on here pointed out God created Adam as a mature adult and not as a baby. So God could indeed have created a “mature” universe (one that appears that way.)
God existing outside of time and (imo) creating time complicates the question.
“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
(2 Peter 3:8)
“For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.”
(Psalm 90:4)
@pb1022 saidNo offense, but that is probably the lamest explanation for a mature universe I've ever heard. I strongly recommend you return to your previous view that it was ridiculous.
I used to think YEC was ridiculous until someone on here pointed out God created Adam as a mature adult and not as a baby. So God could indeed have created a “mature” universe (one that appears that way.)
It's right up there with the view I've heard that God put dinosaur bones in rocks to confuse mankind. (Or that all the bones found are fake).
Your best defense for the Genesis creation is that 'day' didn't refer to 'day' as we understand it today, but a period of time. (Day is often used in the Bible to mean a period greater than 24 hours).
@ghost-of-a-duke saidApparently the Hebrew word used for day in the Genesis creation account is a 24-hour day so I don’t think it’s possible to claim the word day symbolically refers to an era.
No offense, but that is probably the lamest explanation for a mature universe I've ever heard. I strongly recommend you return to your previous view that it was ridiculous.
It's right up there with the view I've heard that God put dinosaur bones in rocks to confuse mankind. (Or that all the bones found are fake).
Your best defense for the Genesis creation is th ...[text shortened]... oday, but a period of time. (Day is often used in the Bible to mean a period greater than 24 hours).
And I don’t think it’s possible for human beings who are born into time and constantly subjected to it to understand what it would be like if time did not exist.
@pb1022 saidOld Testament scholar and Hebrew linguist Gleason Archer (1916-2004), a strong advocate for inerrancy, wrote ”On the basis of internal evidence, it is this writer’s conviction that yôm in Genesis could not have been intended by the Hebrew author to mean a literal twenty-four hour day.”
Apparently the Hebrew word used for day in the Genesis creation account is a 24-hour day so I don’t think it’s possible to claim the word day symbolically refers to an era.
And I don’t think it’s possible for human beings who are born into time and constantly subjected to it to understand what it would be like if time did not exist.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/biblical-reasons-to-doubt-the-creation-days-were-24-hour-periods/
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThis is an interesting article that addresses Gleason Archer’s view.
Old Testament scholar and Hebrew linguist Gleason Archer (1916-2004), a strong advocate for inerrancy, wrote ”On the basis of internal evidence, it is this writer’s conviction that yôm in Genesis could not have been intended by the Hebrew author to mean a literal twenty-four hour day.”
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/biblical-reasons-to-doubt-the-creation-days-were-24-hour-periods/
https://www.icr.org/article/meaning-day-genesis/
@pb1022 saidDo you accept at least the issue isn't clear-cut? There are Christian scholars out there who question the meaning of 'day' in Genesis.
This is an interesting article that addresses Gleason Archer’s view.
https://www.icr.org/article/meaning-day-genesis/
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYes, I accept that. I wasn’t previously aware that it wasn’t clear cut among scholars.
Do you accept at least the issue isn't clear-cut? There are Christian scholars out there who question the meaning of 'day' in Genesis.
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@pb1022 said"...God could indeed have created a “mature” universe (one that appears that way.)"
I used to think YEC was ridiculous until someone on here pointed out God created Adam as a mature adult and not as a baby. So God could indeed have created a “mature” universe (one that appears that way.)
God existing outside of time and (imo) creating time complicates the question.
“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thou ...[text shortened]... ars in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.”
(Psalm 90:4)
Why bother?
YEC absolutely is ridiculous.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidLet’s say, as a thought experiment, that God created the universe exactly and literally as described in Genesis.
I imagine there are far fewer scholars who think God created a mature universe than those who challenge the meaning of 'day' in Genesis.
Would Adam and Eve be able to see the stars?