Originally posted by chaney3What interests me, in this case, is how when people like what Jesus says, and can do it, they take His words at face value.
I understand your point, but at what point are we to 'believe' a simple sentence at face value?
Why the need to extract a different 'meaning' from 5 words? Maybe He meant exactly what He said.
Yet, when Jesus says something difficult, they immediately search for their own interpretation and 'assume' that He really didn't mean it.
Interpreting His words to suit them.
"Go and sin no more".
Seems clear.
Originally posted by Rajk999The problem lies that if Jesus wanted man to be sinless, while 'knowing' this was not possible, would it really be fair to judge them for falling short of something that was never really attainable?
Jesus meant the exact words. Just because he knows that many cannot do it in no way can be interpreted that he did not mean it... thats a nonsense view.
Go and sin no more is what Jesus wants.
What Jesus will get and what he knows he will get is a bunch of imperfect sinful people.
He will know how to judge.
It's like wanting my 3 year old nephew to quote Shakespeare, while knowing this is something way beyond his capabilities, but then judging him (punishing him) when all he can quote is 'the wheels on the bus.'
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeWho said it is not possible to live sin free?
The problem lies that if Jesus wanted man to be sinless, while 'knowing' this was not possible, would it really be fair to judge them for falling short of something that was never really attainable?
It's like wanting my 3 year old nephew to quote Shakespeare, while knowing this is something way beyond his capabilities, but then judging him (punishing him) when all he can quote is 'the wheels on the bus.'
This is the question.
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-Removed-Listen, it's really simple. Why are you trying to pretend that you don't understand the situation?
c3 asked me to tell him what the following text was saying:
John 8
34Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
31...If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free...
36...So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed..
51...Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death”.
I responded with the following synopsis of the above text:
In a nutshell Jesus was saying that everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin and that his true disciples will be freed from committing sin."
If that synopsis of the text from John 8 is "completely incorrect", then you should have no problem in show exactly how I misrepresented the words and phrases of Jesus from John 8 and provide what you believe to be the "correct" representation of those words and phrases.
If you can't do that, then your beef is with Jesus, not me.
So either demonstrate how my synopsis is essentially different from the above words of Jesus or admit that you don't believe what Jesus said there.
-Removed-Then show exactly how I misrepresented the words and phrases of Jesus from John 8 and provide what you believe to be the "correct" representation of those words and phrases.
So either demonstrate how my synopsis is essentially different from the words of Jesus from John 8 quoted earlier or admit that you don't believe what Jesus said there.
I imagine that if you could demonstrate it you would.
Thus far your responses have amounted to no more than unsubstantiated claims, false claims and personal attacks.