23 Aug '08 17:18>2 edits
Originally posted by duecer in response to pritybetta in the thread 'Hell'
your theology is straight from the John Calvin playbook. By your own theology, it is pointless to spread the good news, because God has predistined who will be saved. There are numerous refutations to this theology, not the least of which was that Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The fact they had the free will to choose to eat from that tree is ironic in itself. The modern evangelical movement (actually starting with John Wesly) is a general refutation of calvinism.
I have never seen a John Calvin playbook. And no I do not think it is pointless to spread the good news. The Lord uses his Word to open the eyes of those who are his children. If we didn't spread the good news then those people would never hear his Word and thus would not open their eyes to the Lord. You say there are numerous refutations to this theology? I have not seen any that are inline with the Word of the Lord. Yes, I do think that Adam and Eve eating of the tree of knowledge had outside forces that caused them to do so, however, they were told not to and did it anyway. Eve did it because she was beguiled by the serpent, and Adam did it because he harkened to the voice of his wife. They were given freedom to eat of any tree but that particular one they were told not to eat of. As for free will, I do not think they truly had free will. However, I do believe they had a spiritual connection with the Lord and when they eat of the tree their connection died, ie. they died spiritually. I have seen too much from the modern evangelical movement that is totally against the Word of God so don't tell me that it is a general refutation of what I believe, which is what I believed before knowing anything about Calvin.
your theology is straight from the John Calvin playbook. By your own theology, it is pointless to spread the good news, because God has predistined who will be saved. There are numerous refutations to this theology, not the least of which was that Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The fact they had the free will to choose to eat from that tree is ironic in itself. The modern evangelical movement (actually starting with John Wesly) is a general refutation of calvinism.
I have never seen a John Calvin playbook. And no I do not think it is pointless to spread the good news. The Lord uses his Word to open the eyes of those who are his children. If we didn't spread the good news then those people would never hear his Word and thus would not open their eyes to the Lord. You say there are numerous refutations to this theology? I have not seen any that are inline with the Word of the Lord. Yes, I do think that Adam and Eve eating of the tree of knowledge had outside forces that caused them to do so, however, they were told not to and did it anyway. Eve did it because she was beguiled by the serpent, and Adam did it because he harkened to the voice of his wife. They were given freedom to eat of any tree but that particular one they were told not to eat of. As for free will, I do not think they truly had free will. However, I do believe they had a spiritual connection with the Lord and when they eat of the tree their connection died, ie. they died spiritually. I have seen too much from the modern evangelical movement that is totally against the Word of God so don't tell me that it is a general refutation of what I believe, which is what I believed before knowing anything about Calvin.