Originally posted by RJHinds
Look and listen to it yourself if you don't believe me. After all this time
of man being reported as having descended from apes, suddenly after a
questioner asks him to put up or shut up he can not answer the question
and finally comes back accusing the questioner of misunderstanding and
admits that man is not a descendant of apes at all. Then makes up ...[text shortened]... the question because he can't give the example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKryi3605g
It sounds to me like he was presenting truth. It is religions that lie. In the 40's and 50'a during the cold war years, there was a big anti-communistic movement. In 1960 when I first went to college, there were anti-communist tapes we could listen to that said, and I quote "Tell a lie, make it big enough, and people will fall for it".
They were referring to the fundamental underpinnings of the communist manifesto.
But I would retune that phrase and say that is exactly what is going on with religions.
I don't think anyone here but Dasa would believe the lie that humans have been around for billions of years. Tell a lie, make it big enough, and people will fall for it.
But it doesn't just stop there.
That phrase works just as well for Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Jainism, Zoroastrianism. All based on lies. Make them big enough, people will fall for them.
Hook, line and sinker.
The sad part is when confronted with counter evidence, the 'faith' just gets driven in deeper, so well have the lies worked.
The faith of religion cannot by definition, change.
These faiths explicitly teach the faithful they will run into people who will try to dissuade them from that faith, with various methods of non-violence right on through to violence itself.
So they are taught when faith is tested, take that faith to another level, dig in, don't listen to those voices of reason and mad and dishonest science, take it on faith, we know what we are talking about because the truth is in our bible, Quran, Vedic knowledge, Buddhist prayer texts, whatever.
All based on lies. There is no such thing as a person who has a better handle on the big questions of life than any other person on the planet.
Whatever we worship, whatever we study about the big questions of how the universe came to be, all is based on stories, and lies.
Science, on the other hand, can and does change, now daily it seems. Old laws get overturned. Newton had a great answer for the question of what keeps planets moving. Einstein says, wait, not so fast, I see some other stuff here.
Darwin says evolution explains what happens to life after life started, however that may have been, with no ideas put forth about the origins of life, only how it reacts to stresses and such later on.
Creationists cannot change their weary tale that evolution is false BECAUSE it does not answer the question of what started life in the first place.
Creationists cannot find a real objection to evolution so they chip away at the base, hoping to topple the entire edifice with irrational logic, the logic of supernatural agents, invisible friends guiding every wiggle of every strand of DNA from a billion years ago to the present day, totally disregarding 150 years of very carefully thought out evidence.
Creationist attacks are based on lies, want only to topple evolution in a political sense, to control the propaganda basic to the christian faith, so new ideas will be cast to the dump heap of history and life goes on with everyone blind to what is really out there in the universe.
Tell a lie, Make it big enough, and People will fall for it.
Oh, and BTW, Dawkins NEVER said we descended from apes. Darwin never said that. What they really said was man and apes and chimps and all the other primates descended from some common ancestor millions and millions of years in the past, maybe 50 million years in the past.
Of course you, Hinds, believe one of the many BIG lies, the Earth is 10,000 years old. If you believe that, I have a GREAT bridge for sale......