Originally posted by rwingett If it is decided that you are to be my opponent (it hasn't been yet), then I would make the opening statement. If you had read my proposed rules you'd have seen that. I will start a new thread in the spirituality forum for the debate.
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If it is decided that you are to be my opponent (it hasn't been yet), then I would make the opening statement. If you had read my proposed rules you'd have seen that. I will start a new thread in the spirituality forum for the debate.
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I read it, if you are talking about the opening statement of this thread.
My offer to be your opponent is not open forever. You seem to want to wait and pick your opponent and your judges.
I don't need a formal debate judged by people you like in order to analyze the validity of your "Jesus the Socialist" argument. Probably, after tonight if no decision, I will assume that you want to debate someone else.
No problem with that. I'll check the board latter tonight. Tomorrow my offer is withdrawn.
I can discuss the proposal without a formal debate but in a discussion style if someone is interested in my thoughts on it.
Originally posted by josephw Jesus was a socialist.
That is what rwingett is going to be arguing for. Come on Joe! Get in the groove. If you want to take this dude on you really are going to have to do better or it's going to be carnage at your end.😲
Originally posted by jaywill [b]=========================================
If it is decided that you are to be my opponent (it hasn't been yet), then I would make the opening statement. If you had read my proposed rules you'd have seen that. I will start a new thread in the spirituality forum for the debate.
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I read it, if you are talki ...[text shortened]... t a formal debate but in a discussion style if someone is interested in my thoughts on it.[/b]
Who the judges are will be agreed upon by both parties. Right now I'm just looking for volunteers from which to choose. If you don't like any of them then you may veto them at your discretion.
But this is to be a formal debate. If that format doesn't appeal to you then decline the spot.
Originally posted by jaywill [b]=========================================
If it is decided that you are to be my opponent (it hasn't been yet), then I would make the opening statement. If you had read my proposed rules you'd have seen that. I will start a new thread in the spirituality forum for the debate.
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I read it, if you are talki ...[text shortened]... t a formal debate but in a discussion style if someone is interested in my thoughts on it.[/b]
I'd be interested J, I expect other will be too. Suggest separate post at some point maybe? There should be some interesting viewpoints in this debate but not convinced it belongs in Spirituality.
Originally posted by rwingett Who the judges are will be agreed upon by both parties. Right now I'm just looking for volunteers from which to choose. If you don't like any of them then you may veto them at your discretion.
But this is to be a formal debate. If that format doesn't appeal to you then decline the spot.
Selection of judges I can see then.
Why are you looking for volunteers from which to choose an opponent?
Originally posted by jaywill Selection of judges I can see then.
Why are you looking for volunteers from which to choose an opponent?
Not everyone reads this forum every day (or so I've been led to believe). There might be someone out there yet who would look forward to debating the topic more than you would. I don't know. If it turns out that you and whodey are the only two interested parties, then you would choose amongst yourselves who gets in. I'm not doing the choosing. I'm only trying to bring the hypothetical debate to people's attention and tally up who is interested. I just don't see why you're in such a big hurry all of a sudden. After waiting for 2,000 years for Jesus to come back you'd think you'd have developed a little patience by now.
Originally posted by divegeester I'd be interested J, I expect other will be too. Suggest separate post at some point maybe? There should be some interesting viewpoints in this debate but not convinced it belongs in Spirituality.
Separate posts? What do you mean? After the formal debate is over the topic will be thrown open to general discussion. What do you mean the debate doesn't belong in spirituality? How could a debate about Jesus belong anywhere else?
Originally posted by rwingett Not everyone reads this forum every day (or so I've been led to believe). There might be someone out there yet who would look forward to debating the topic more than you would. I don't know. If it turns out that you and whodey are the only two interested parties, then you would choose amongst yourselves who gets in. I'm not doing the choosing. I'm only tryi years for Jesus to come back you'd think you'd have developed a little patience by now.
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After waiting for 2,000 years for Jesus to come back you'd think you'd have developed a little patience by now.
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Cute.
Haven't you read "Behold I am with you always, even unto the consummation of the age."?
Our enjoyment of Jesus' presence is so rich that when He does return physically it will only be a deepening and a continuation of what we have been enjoying for all these rich years.
Besides we disciples need time to be more and more conformed to His image.
But when Jesus does return physically, most people will think that it is too soon rather than too late.
Originally posted by jaywill [b]=================================
After waiting for 2,000 years for Jesus to come back you'd think you'd have developed a little patience by now.
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Cute.
Haven't you read "Behold I am with you always, even unto the consummation of the age."?
Our enjoyment of Jesus' presence is so ...[text shortened]... s does return physically, most people will think that it is too soon rather than too late.[/b]
Don't you read Revelation? Jesus is coming back to set up a socialist kingdom. LOL.
Originally posted by whodey Don't you read Revelation? Jesus is coming back to set up a socialist kingdom. LOL.
It is arguable. One could conceivably make the case.
I don't think that one could make a winning case though that Jesus is a Socialist.
I anticipate that some interesting points though, could be surfaced. I have studied every part of the New Testament with an electron microscope for a long time.
It certainly doesn't shock me that someone would attempt to make Jesus into a Socialist. Liberation Theology of the 70s attempted to do it pretty much.
Reactionary theologians disgusted capitalist Americanity emphasized those aspects of the early church life which were communistic.
Alright, this topic has evidently failed to spark any wider interest. For better or for worse it looks like its between Jaywill and Whodey. You may decide amongst yourselves who will be my opponent. Once that is done then we can get down to the business of selecting the judges. I will caution you both that this is a debate and not an evangelizing mission. I would hope that you would address the arguments I intend to raise and refrain from unconnected proselytizing. You've already been given a few hints as to the type of arguments I'll be making. Much of it will depend on non-biblical sources. So I hope you use the time available to do the appropriate research and that you refrain from completely wasting my time and effort.
Originally posted by rwingett Alright, this topic has evidently failed to spark any wider interest. For better or for worse it looks like its between Jaywill and Whodey. You may decide amongst yourselves who will be my opponent. Once that is done then we can get down to the business of selecting the judges. I will caution you both that this is a debate and not an evangelizing mission. I ...[text shortened]... o do the appropriate research and that you refrain from completely wasting my time and effort.
I don't think No.1's candidacy was meant to be taken seriously. I don't think pitting two revisionist conceptions of Jesus against one another would make for a fruitful debate.
Rules of Debate? How's this, punk!
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