Originally posted by RJHinds But everybody cares what Rush Limbaugh says because he has a brain on loan from God. And half of it is tied behind his back.
I don't care what he says thinks or does either and I suspect the majority of the worlds population who live outside of the US don't either.
Edit, so I guess if you are catholic north American, whatever this is all about must be pivotal.
Originally posted by divegeester Granted the Pope may have influence inside the catholic community, but as I said, outside of the Catholic Church which is the vast majority of the rest of the worlds population, no one cares what he says or thinks or does.
I don't think that's true. People can inspire many outside of their narrow denomination. You didn't have to be a Hindu to be inspired by Gandhi. Or a Buddhist to be inspired by the Dalai Lama. A man of insight will transcend the narrow confines of his denomination and inspire those not otherwise inclined to agree with him.
Originally posted by rwingett I don't think that's true. People can inspire many outside of their narrow denomination. You didn't have to be a Hindu to be inspired by Gandhi. Or a Buddhist to be inspired by the Dalai Lama. A man of insight will transcend the narrow confines of his denomination and inspire those not otherwise inclined to agree with him.
True enough premise, but not in the Pope's case (at least not for a long time). Unless of course you are seriously suggesting that the mutterings of these contemporary pantomime characters carries that level of transcendent kudos?
Originally posted by divegeester True enough premise, but not in the Pope's case (at least not for a long time). Unless of course you are seriously suggesting that the mutterings of these contemporary pantomime characters carries that level of transcendent kudos?
Despite all your griping, I think there are a great number of people, both inside the church and without, who find genuine inspiration from the current Pope.
Originally posted by whodey That is not rich? 😕
He's rich, but there are people worth billions that are listened to less. I think he is rich because people care what he says, not because of how much money he has.
Originally posted by RJHinds He's rich, but there are people worth billions that are listened to less. I think he is rich because people care what he says, not because of how much money he has.
Says you.
I say that the people with the billions are telling those in the federal government what to do as where Rush just gripes about it.
Originally posted by divegeester Granted the Pope may have influence inside the catholic community, but as I said, outside of the Catholic Church which is the vast majority of the rest of the worlds population, no one cares what he says or thinks or does.
This is not true. He was chosen by Time Magazine as "Person-of-the-Year". I doubt this means that no one cares about what he says, thinks or does. Many people have been watching this new pope (including me) precisely because he's simply not the same as the old popes. With any luck, he'll be successful in proving that the RC Church can finally be seen as 'for the people'. I have great hope for the Church under this pope.
Originally posted by RJHinds Not that rich. His net worth is less than $400 million.
Are you somehow 'defending' him? When will the majority of conservatives (who are not rich, by any means) figure out that most high-profile conservatives are leading them down the primrose path so they can continue to get them to support their own, anti-American agendas? Wake up, Ron, and see that the ideal America for these conservatives does not include you.
Originally posted by rwingett Despite all your griping, I think there are a great number of people, both inside the church and without, who find genuine inspiration from the current Pope.
I think we've identified the obvious; that within the church there are those who hang on his every word, but I disagree that his effective horizon goes further than that in terms of the general public of planet earth.
80+% of the population of earth is not catholic, a huge proportion of those are Protestant, Hindus, Muslims or other religions. Not to mention the growing base of atheists. We could back and forth all day but I don't see any evidence, either direct nor circumstantial, to support your claim that the pope's word have a huge influence on people outside of the Catholic Church.
Originally posted by Suzianne This is not true. He was chosen by Time Magazine as "Person-of-the-Year". I doubt this means that no one cares about what he says, thinks or does. Many people have been watching this new pope (including me) precisely because he's simply not the same as the old popes. With any luck, he'll be successful in proving that the RC Church can finally be seen as 'for the people'. I have great hope for the Church under this pope.
Oh well, if he's Time's magazine nomination, it must be true that he has a vast influence on people outside of the Catholic Church. I don't think so. The Catholic Church has an extended membership of about 18% of the worlds population which is deeply segmented and weighted towards certain continents such as South America for example. Within that group there will be a spectrum of followers from the hard core to those who were catholic by birth. No doubt the pope has huge influence within this sphere and because of the size of the membership, he and the Catholic Church has political influence also. But I don't see any evidence that at a public level outside of the church his words, deeds and postulations carry any sway whatsoever.
Originally posted by divegeester Granted the Pope may have influence inside the catholic community, but as I said, outside of the Catholic Church which is the vast majority of the rest of the worlds population, no one cares what he says or thinks or does.
That's not true. His influences extent further than the Catholic church solely be the virtue of how strong his influence is inside the Catholic community.
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