22 Dec '09 05:43>
Originally posted by robbie carrobiei reject the idea that person is instantly in union with Christ forever, regardless of what may or may not occur...
i reject the idea that person is instantly in union with Christ forever, regardless of what may or may not occur, its a preposterous and unfounded statement and reminiscent of the nonsense that evangelic christians (even though they dont do much evangelising, ironic isnt it) have come to perpetuate. 'Take him into your heart and you will be saved'! ...[text shortened]... that one is instantly saved and does not need to do anything, is a mockery and an unreality!
Given your predilection for rejecting basics of the Christian faith, it is not surprising to see you reject such a fundamental aspect of Christianity. What may or may not occur is not the issue in salvation. Belief--- acceptance of His work in place of my work--- is the only issue in salvation. Anything more is arrogance; anything less is ineffective.
its a preposterous and unfounded statement and reminiscent of the nonsense that evangelic christians (even though they dont do much evangelising, ironic isnt it) have come to perpetuate.
It is indeed preposterous, in the sense of contrary to nature, reason or common sense. For the worldly man, it is utter foolishness.
Hardly unfounded, it is found throughout the Bible, in many passages and the actual theme of many writings. You should check it out sometime.
And, it should be noted, it is the job of Christians to perpetuate this concept. Clearly, concisely, correctly.
'Take him into your heart and you will be saved'! Nonsense!
Well, before that, you were on the right track (by being on the wrong track, mind you). No where in the Bible is there even an inkling of the Lord Jesus Christ--- or any of His apostles, for that matter--- where the teaching is anywhere near such a heretical concept. He never told us to take Him into our hearts. Ever. Such thinking is blasphemy.
1.Paul clearly states, that one can indeed lose ones faith... to state that one is instantly saved and does not need to do anything, is a mockery and an unreality!
Paul clearly states that one can lose their standing, not their salvation. You need to be able to tell the difference between the two. As your woeful lack of discernment regarding scriptural matters attests, you shouldn't be wielding a sword you obviously need help in lifting.
Get the basics down first and then add to them.