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Originally posted by karoly aczel'Having a role to play' is a very vague concept.
I have heard it put that science and religion do not mix
Maybe you guys have hashed this one out b4 but i'd just like to know-
Do not science AND religion have a role to play in our understanding of the greater ****?
(This topic can get messy however a lot of good points can be gleened from this line of inquiry)
Originally posted by karoly aczelI'll quote MLK,
I have heard it put that science and religion do not mix
Maybe you guys have hashed this one out b4 but i'd just like to know-
Do not science AND religion have a role to play in our understanding of the greater ****?
(This topic can get messy however a lot of good points can be gleened from this line of inquiry)
Originally posted by generalissimo…Science investigates; religion interprets.
I'll quote MLK,
"Science investigates; religion interprets. Science gives man knowledge which is power; religion gives man wisdom which is control. Science deals mainly with facts; religion deals mainly with values. The two are not rivals. They are complementary."
Originally posted by PalynkaWhat is this “great ****” you and karoly speak of?
'Having a role to play' is a very vague concept.
For example, it could be said that it is almost certain that dogma (in any form, religious or not) will have a role to play in our understanding of the great ****.
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonIt's not me it's robomod who does it. I don't know why it obscures ****.
What is this “great ****” you and karoly speak of?
-I mean, what four-letter word is “****” and why not just say it?
-I mean, is “****” a rude f-word or a secret or something too personal to air in public or do you just don’t want to "go there" or what?
Originally posted by Andrew Hamiltonits quite simple, take for example a simple religious idea, that Fabian mentioned above, miracles. In scripture, they are always almost matter of fact, especially the miracles of Christ, there is no sensationalism, nothing, he simply states, pick up your bed and walk, and the recipient picks up his bed and walks away healed. Now the argument is, that miracles are out with the natural laws of nature, therefore if it can be demonstrated scientifically that 'unusual things may be observed when elements are subject to unusual circumstances', then it can be established that there is a basis that this same theory, may be "interpreted" to apply to the phenomena of miracles themselves, for they may also have been subject to unusual or peculiar circumstances, thus if we can establish that no one can assume or insist that the familiar laws of nature hold true everywhere and at all times then this also establishes a basis for miracles 🙂
how would that relate to religion?
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonI'll go there.
What is this “great ****” you and karoly speak of?
-I mean, what four-letter word is “****” and why not just say it?
-I mean, is “****” a rude f-word or a secret or something too personal to air in public or do you just don’t want to "go there" or what?
Originally posted by robbie carrobie…therefore if it can be demonstrated scientifically that 'UNUSUAL THINGS may be observed when elements are subject to UNUSUAL circumstances', THEN it can be established that there is a basis that this SAME THEORY, may be "interpreted" to apply to the phenomena of miracles themselves,
its quite simple, take for example a simple religious idea, that Fabian mentioned above, miracles. In scripture, they are always almost matter of fact, especially the miracles of Christ, there is no sensationalism, nothing, he simply states, pick up your bed and walk, and the recipient picks up his bed and walks away healed. Now the argument is, th be interpreted in this way, but i have said enough and don't want to bore you excessively.
Originally posted by karoly aczel…the 'nameless void' which we ALL spring from
I'll go there.
When I typed **** I simply meant the 'nameless void' which we all spring from and to which we all return one way or another.
It has no name or label yet is definatly 'something'
To give it a name would be to classify it as a noun, which isn't strictly true.
I think r.e.m. had a song called 'the great beyond'. This title hints at ...[text shortened]... wever words seem to miss the mark and always lead to trouble...(beyond,heaven,God,etc.)