Originally posted by vivify
EDIT: posting as response to whole thread, not just vivify's post.
It's pretty stupid that Christians bash scientists as deceitful idiots, until one agrees with their beliefs.
Except that he really isn't agreeing with their beliefs...
Unless their beliefs involve some intelligence or intelligences in some reality that created a computer
simulation run by a set of rules that was large and complex enough for [after a few billion years of
run-time] life to emerge inside it. And unless those beliefs also don't include any afterlife, and include
all the mythological aspects of all religions [including Christianity] being wrong.
As for creating a great stir... The ONLY places I have so far found reporting on this at all are Christian
websites... And while Michio Kaku is a big science promoter... He does have a tendency to say whacky
stuff from time to time when he strays outside his field... Holding beliefs on a number of subjects that
are not exactly mainstream. [I've watched a lot of science/tech/futurist programs to which he has
contributed and seen some flaws myself and read others more knowledgeable point out more]
Science not working on personal authority but evidence and reason, what any particular scientist believes
is irrelevant. What matters is what they can prove. Wake me when there is a consensus on this topic...
Which will not be for some time, because String Theory is a PROPOSED replacement for the standard
model... One of many, and it hasn't been validated by experimental observations, for all that it is popular.
So claiming that a scientist known for making occasionally whacky claims, thinks that a particular interpretation
of an unproven hypothesis might show evidence that the universe was created by some form of intelligence...
which would not be the god of the bible... or a god at all by my definition of the term... Based upon stories that
so far I can only find on Christian websites... With no salient details that would allow anyone to analyse this
and see if he is making any kind of sense... Is utterly unconvincing.
I do note that the Catholic reporting is at least honest enough to admit that he is not claiming this as evidence
for a Christian god.
Without getting into the physics, Kaku concludes that we live in a Matrix-style universe, created by an intelligence.
"I have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence", he said. "Believe me, everything that we call chance today won't make sense anymore. To me it is clear that we exists in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance."
So does this mean Kaku now believes in God? Yes and no. Nowhere does he endorse an particular religious philosophy. Instead, he may be referring to Spinosa's God, a sort of deification of the laws of the universe themselves. Einstein came to a similar conclusion.
Although they clearly miss the fact that if this was true it would actually be rather damning evidence against their
religion, as if such were needed.
Again, science, skepticism, and rationality explicitly does not function based on authority but on reason and
evidence. The day they can get excited about science confirming their gods existence is when there is a consensus
on the subject. When one person announces a non-peer-reviewed thought about the possible implications of an
unproven hypothesis that would contradict their religion anyway... Their excitement is premature.