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Originally posted by KazetNagorraWhy you cannot come to terms with the fact that we are talking of a composite sign I really have no idea and why you think that because there were wars, or famines, or life expectancy has risen that this means that you can claim that in isolation these negate the fact that the modern era has been marred by these very things I cannot say. Its almost as if the logic has evaded you completely and you think that because Tamerlane allegedly killed proportionately more people it negates the fact that world war one and world war two did not see a huge and unprecedented escalation in warfare and killing, or that because there has been famine China did not experience a huge famine killing some 40,000,000 persons, or that there have not been huge earthquakes, or that people still don't die every year of heart disease, its almost as if you are devoid of both substance and reason.
Yes robbie, it is fewer. It really, really is. The world really wasn't that great a place in the pre-modern era. That's why people ended up dying and stuff instead of living until the age of 80 like we do nowadays.
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Vietnam investigates mass fish deaths -
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/21/vietnam-investigates-mass-fish-deaths-pollution
Great Barrier Reef Coral Bleaching is 'Worst in its History'
http://www.livescience.com/54272-great-barrier-reef-worst-coral-bleaching.html
Depletion of rainforest
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-talks-daily-destruction/
Hottest temperatures on record
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/15/march-temperature-smashes-100-year-global-record
yup just teetering along like nothing has happened. Nothing to see here folks, its all good!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieStop this debate now. I cry foul! I gave a perfectly rational alternative interpretation and Robbie admitted as much. That is the end of the debate. There is nothing more to debate. Go away everyone. It's over.
No quarter given, none asked for, its Realpolitik 😀
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo. Your numbers make a better argument alone. Your pants fall to your ankles the instant you bring your bixarro dogma into the mix
No you are creating a strawman argument, I am saying that you need all the elements of Matthew chapter 24 to exist in the same epoch for it to fit the profile. So what that means is that even if Timur killed all the people on the planet except himself he could still not fulfil Matthew chapter 24 because he would have all the food for himself and ther ...[text shortened]... an element out of context. For you to open a combination lock all the numbers must be present.
Originally posted by SuzianneBut don't you also believe 'the end is nigh'? You've talked about it many times here and about all the signs that the end of the world is almost upon us.
No. Your numbers make a better argument alone. Your pants fall to your ankles the instant you bring your bixarro dogma into the mix
Originally posted by FMFYes, I've talked about it several times, and if you're saying my beliefs have anything in common with his bixarro dogma, then you're still unclear on what I believe.
But don't you also believe 'the end is nigh'? You've talked about it many times here and about all the signs that the end of the world is almost upon us.
Originally posted by SuzianneYou both believe the world is soon going to end and you believe this because of what some Bible verses say, right? You both have this in common in terms of your beliefs, that much is not in dispute, yes?
Yes, I've talked about it several times, and if you're saying my beliefs have anything in common with his bixarro dogma, then you're still unclear on what I believe.
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Originally posted by finneganOnce the real debate is over we usually get the tail enders, FMF, divegeester and suzzianne piping up like the Deil himself in Alloways auld haunted Kirk! 😛
Stop this debate now. I cry foul! I gave a perfectly rational alternative interpretation and [b]Robbie admitted as much. That is the end of the debate. There is nothing more to debate. Go away everyone. It's over.[/b]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieTail ender? I've been posting on this 25 page thread since page 4 and you have dodged or deflected every observation and question.
Once the real debate is over we usually get the tail enders, FMF, divegeester and suzzianne piping up like the Deil himself in Alloways auld haunted Kirk! 😛
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe modern era was marred by these things - no doubt about it.
Why you cannot come to terms with the fact that we are talking of a composite sign I really have no idea and why you think that because there were wars, or famines, or life expectancy has risen that this means that you can claim that in isolation these negate the fact that the modern era has been marred by these very things I cannot say. Its almost a ...[text shortened]... t die every year of heart disease, its almost as if you are devoid of both substance and reason.
The pre-modern era was marred by relatively more of these things.
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Originally posted by KazetNagorrayeah right, maybe we rename the first world war, the seventh world war according to KazetNagorra
The modern era was marred by these things - no doubt about it.
The pre-modern era was marred by relatively more of these things.
The 20th century was the most murderous in recorded history. The total number of deaths caused by or associated with its wars has been estimated at 187m, the equivalent of more than 10% of the world's population in 1913. Taken as having begun in 1914, it was a century of almost unbroken war, with few and brief periods without organised armed conflict somewhere. It was dominated by world wars: that is to say, by wars between territorial states or alliances of states.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2002/feb/23/artsandhumanities.highereducation
Making your statement demonstrably false.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieHere's a question for you, it's been asked before but to my knowledge you've never satisfactorily answered - if things are so bad now, which era would have been better to live in?
Why you cannot come to terms with the fact that we are talking of a composite sign I really have no idea and why you think that because there were wars, or famines, or life expectancy has risen that this means that you can claim that in isolation these negate the fact that the modern era has been marred by these very things I cannot say. Its almost a ...[text shortened]... t die every year of heart disease, its almost as if you are devoid of both substance and reason.