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    04 Sep '08 23:50
    The last I heard Mimor was going to the beach, I think it was, and was going to do some drinking. I hope she's having a good time and will return safely.
  2. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    05 Sep '08 00:53
    Originally posted by josephw
    The last I heard Mimor was going to the beach, I think it was, and was going to do some drinking. I hope she's having a good time and will return safely.
    Maybe she read round 4 and decided to stay out drinking a while longer. šŸ˜µ
  3. Donationkirksey957
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    05 Sep '08 00:53
    Originally posted by josephw
    The last I heard Mimor was going to the beach, I think it was, and was going to do some drinking. I hope she's having a good time and will return safely.
    Here you go.

    For the next topic, I'd like to see a sermon about pleasure - physical, emotional, the denial of, whatever - and its role in our lives. I'm thinking of the Song of Solomon but entrants should feel free to use whatever passage is spiritually relevant.

    This was from Mimor. Since we are late into the week, I'm going to suggest the deadline be Saturday Sept 13.
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    05 Sep '08 04:05
    Originally posted by josephw
    The last I heard Mimor was going to the beach, I think it was, and was going to do some drinking. I hope she's having a good time and will return safely.
    It was a lovely time away but a bumpy re-entry so my priorities have been focused elsewhere for the last week or so. I appreciate the thoughts though.
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    05 Sep '08 04:11
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    Maybe she read round 4 and decided to stay out drinking a while longer. šŸ˜µ
    :'(
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    Originally posted by kirksey957
    Here you go.

    For the next topic, I'd like to see a sermon about pleasure - physical, emotional, the denial of, whatever - and its role in our lives. I'm thinking of the Song of Solomon but entrants should feel free to use whatever passage is spiritually relevant.

    This was from Mimor. Since we are late into the week, I'm going to suggest the deadline be Saturday Sept 13.
    Good. I'll need the time.

    Good topic. Everybody likes pleasure. Of some kind or another.
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    05 Sep '08 22:46
    Originally posted by Mimor
    It was a lovely time away but a bumpy re-entry so my priorities have been focused elsewhere for the last week or so. I appreciate the thoughts though.
    I understand completely. I've done the same many times.

    It's been a long time though. I'm afraid if I drank more than 3 beers I'd get sick. My limit these days is 2.

    As a matter of fact it's Friday. I've worked hard all week. I think I'll go have a couple. Cheers! šŸ˜‰
  8. Hmmm . . .
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    Preface

    Spend a few moments to feel
    only your breathing out
    and breathing in,
    and your heartbeat’s drum.

    Enjoy the pleasurable rhythms
    that bear on and on
    the movement of life
    from now to now to now...

    How deranged it would be
    to try and cling
    only to the breathing-in,
    to clutch as in a fist
    the in-breath,
    or to try to expand it forever.

    Such clinging turns pleasure
    into suffering.

    This is the point
    of the Second Noble Truth.
    This is the meaning
    of Impermanence.

    I.

    Lover and beloved:
    breathing out and breathing in,
    two movements
    of a singular breath.

    This is the Logos;
    this is the Tao.

    Pleasure is all that the lover
    desires for the beloved,
    beauty is what they seek
    together.

    They see one another, and sing
    of such things
    as sun-washed wheat and roses,
    or irises and ebony,
    of sweet, swollen fruit,
    of wine, of breath, of bread,
    the musky scent
    of rain-soaked earth—

    This, too, is Logos.

    All such songs of love and desire,
    from I to Thou, one to the other,
    from mirror to mirror—

    This is the Tao.

    II.

    But the two movements
    cannot refrain
    from joining as one:
    beloved and lover,
    two streams met
    in a singular river.

    Like water poured into water,
    breath stirred into breath,
    or flame immersed in flame,
    lover and beloved,
    beloved and lover,
    disappear into each other.

    This, too, is the Logos.

    “I-and-Thou” becomes only “We”,
    one ocean, one air, one fire.
    One immense and delirious
    drawing in—!

    And even the mirror
    of mind to mind
    is, for an ecstatic instant,
    gone—

    This is the Tao.

    III.

    And then must come the breathing-out,
    the letting go,
    the unentanglement and returning:

    lover and beloved,
    once again each
    mirroring the other.

    Thus, the rhythm
    of form and fullness and form.

    This, too, is the Logos;
    this is the Tao.

    IV.
    Breathing in, breathing out;
    lover and beloved;
    the figure and the ground;
    form and fullness and form;
    drawing in and letting-go—

    All this is the Logos.
    All this is the Tao.

    The secret:
    it is in the rhythm, the movement,
    and not the clinging holding-on,
    that the current of pleasure
    is more deeply fathomed,
    and suffering more quickly let go.

    Know this,
    and you will come to know,
    by whatever name,
    the Buddha who you are...
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    PLEASURE.

    What is it? I suppose it depends on who you ask? For many it means such things as riches and unlimited sexual experiences etc. Take for example a wise old soul by the name of Solomon. Ecclesiasties chapter 2 tells us Solomon had all these pleasures. He was rich beyond measure and was said to have around 700 wives and/or concubines. In fact, it is said that he partook of whatever his eyes desired. Sounds like the life, eh? Yet in the end he saw it as sheer vanity and vexation of spirit. Perhaps you can relate?

    So if you can relate, what causes this vexation of spirit? After all, you are pleasing yourself in every way possible. Why would it not then bring joy to your heart even though at times it brings happiness? Then again, perhaps the goal of pleasing yourself for the sheer purpose of pleasing yourself is the cause of your vexation? Perhaps pleasure in and of itself does not cause the vexation, rather, it is caused by you innately knowing that it is fleeting and, in and of itself, is empty and vain?

    In contrast, God is said to also take pleasure in certain things. For example, it is said that we were created for his pleasure. Also, he takes pleasure in uprightness and people treating other people the way they would like to be treated. You see, his pleasure does not seem to be as masturbatory (if that is a word) and empty as ours often is because his pleasure revolves around others receiving pleasure that he cares about. In fact, I think we can all relate to this form of pleasure any time we have gone out of our way to help someone in need or made sacrifices for those we love. This form of pleasure is not vain and empty because this form of pleasure does not begin and end with ourselves who most assuredly will have an end. Instead, this type of pleasure keeps on giving in the hearts and minds of those that you have touched and from there it can be felt from generation to generation.

    In conclusion, I suppose pleasure revolves around love for self verses love for others. So which brings you the most pleasure? I suppose the answer lies in how much you love yourself verses your love for your fellow man. In short, where your heart is will determine what you take the most pleasure in and what you take the most pleasure in will determine the amount of inner joy you receive from from experiencing it. You see, we can lie to ourselves by saying that we can find inner joy simply by pleasuring ourselves but the crazy part is we innately know that it is a lie. That is the source of the vexation.
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    Bump for entries.
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    Come on guys, can't we get one more sermon or two?
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    pleasures are like poppies spread
    you seize the bloom
    the flower is shed
    or the snowfall on the river
    a moment white then melts forever
    or the Borealis race
    that flits ere you can point there place

    - R Burns 'Tam O'Shanter, a tale of witches, ghosts and bougles'
  14. Standard memberblack beetle
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    Whatever I lost or twas stolen from me I regain
    My perception of values I already possess I recover
    Myself empty of words and ideas my ego is over
    Free of dualism and of cause effect I have now just nothing
    This nothingness taken away I just keep up swirling
    By perceiving each second as Life I just keep up swirling
    I am the Truth I am High on the best vintage Wine
    Nothing holyšŸ˜µ
  15. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    A fork in the road. A choice to be made.
    There is no choice in THIS matter. A choice to be made.
    Hell has chased me long enough, Heaven has always been there...
    I burn for everyone of you, as you burn for me. The combined effect ...
    Of the neverending CALL that I can now respond to.
    Respond, shine, then dissappear.

    Make yourself beuatiful and strong everyday-without any involvement from ego.

    Everyone dies alone.

    (edit:this effort was in response to,(and trying to even out the general message of the thread),and could have been entirely different if the other "sermons" had've been. šŸ™‚ )
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