Spirituality
10 Nov 19
@bunnyknight saidAre you saying anyone with something flawed about them shouldn't be respected?
@KellyJay
Would you respect all grapes and eat them equally without prejudice? What if one grape is spoiled rotten and full of mold?
@kellyjay saidUnfortunately people with flawed brains or minds do exist. They are sometimes called sociopaths or psychos. They will lie to you, rob you, rape your girls, and then kill you without blinking an eye. And if such people rise to power they usually bring suffering and death to millions. I don't even respect people that litter, so to respect someone like that would be irrational.
Are you saying anyone with something flawed about them shouldn't be respected?
10 Nov 19
@kellyjay saidRespect ought to be an initial default setting with strangers or with people whose interactions with you are superficial or not frequent.
Should we respect all people and judge ideas???
Should we respect all ideas and judge people???
Is respect overrated no matter what, or whatever, who cares?
Beyond that, respect ought to be earned rather than feigned when it isn't being earned.
This forum exists for people to judge each other's ideas and, by extension, judge people according to their ideas and their behaviour in presenting their ideas.
10 Nov 19
@kellyjay saidRespect has to be earned. If it is free it is not worth anything. People deserve to be treated respectfully and in a dignified manner until there is evidence that they do not, but to my mind this comes under the heading of courtesy. The corollary to this is that it cuts both ways, we have to earn the respect of others and, for that matter, our own self-respect.
Should we respect all people and judge ideas???
Should we respect all ideas and judge people???
Is respect overrated no matter what, or whatever, who cares?
10 Nov 19
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@deepthought saidIf respect has to be earned why show it at all until someone proves worthy? If we should be treating others respectfully and in a dignified manner, why would their deserving it matter? If we behave disrespectfully at all, doesn’t this lower us, making us like the one who is misbehaving when we don’t act appropriately towards others?
Respect has to be earned. If it is free it is not worth anything. People deserve to be treated respectfully and in a dignified manner until there is evidence that they do not, but to my mind this comes under the heading of courtesy. The corollary to this is that it cuts both ways, we have to earn the respect of others and, for that matter, our own self-respect.
10 Nov 19
@kellyjay saidAre you trying to blow your own trumpet in an ostentatiously indirect way? And are you going to move on to some sort of fake modesty mea culpa as if you are powerless to mend your own ways?
If respect has to be earned why show it at all until someone proves worthy? If we should be treating others respectfully and in a dignified manner, why would their deserving it matter? If we behave disrespectfully at all, doesn’t this lower us, making us like the one who is misbehaving when don’t act appropriately towards others?
@kellyjay saidWe treat people well because they may deserve respect. Behaving courteously towards someone is not the same as having respect for them. It is normal to defer judgement until sufficient evidence is available. If one does not feel respect for someone then not spending time with them is indicated. If they intrude on that then discourtesy is a suitable deterrent.
If respect has to be earned why show it at all until someone proves worthy? If we should be treating others respectfully and in a dignified manner, why would their deserving it matter? If we behave disrespectfully at all, doesn’t this lower us, making us like the one who is misbehaving when we don’t act appropriately towards others?
10 Nov 19
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@deepthought saidThis query goes along the same lines as the questions in "Mathematics used in ethics," don't you think? If we put people on the scale of our own personal design to justify if we should show them respect or not, we can judge them unworthy. Since if they don’t measure up we will treat them one way, and if they do, another. I’m not sure people have thought this through when it comes to judgment; it highlights justice and righteous judgment, and dismisses the notion we all have a right to do as we will!
We treat people well because they may deserve respect. Behaving courteously towards someone is not the same as having respect for them. It is normal to defer judgement until sufficient evidence is available. If one does not feel respect for someone then not spending time with them is indicated. If they intrude on that then discourtesy is a suitable deterrent.
I think we should be very concerned about ideas just as we have been when discussing people. If we assume all are as good as any other, this places ideas in a place we just now acknowledged we shouldn’t do with people, since ideas have consequences as well.
Side note: I don't have to feel respect, I do believe I have to give it.