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-Removed-Actually there are two cloths, the large table cloth that covered the entire body and the table napkin that was put around the head apparently when the body was removed from the cross. All the evidence indicates these two cloths were in contact with the same man in the Jerusalem area and the supernatural image on the long cloth testifies to a beating, crucifixion, and something supernatural happening, like a possible resurrection.
So many, including myself, believe these two cloths were those two cloths described in the gospel of John. I think the evidence is too strong for a person with a mind of reason and logic to ignore and reject.
I do not consider you a person that has the kind of reason and logic necessary to consider this matter. Therefore, I suggest you dispense with additional comments and leave this thread for those willing to consider the evidence.
-Removed-Many people, including myself, disagree with you. The blood stains on the Oviedo, Spain cloth has many points of congruence with the Shroud of Turin.
Dr. Alan Whanger applied the Polarized Image Overlay Technique to the sudarium, comparing it to the image and bloodstains on the Shroud. The frontal stains on the sudarium show seventy points of coincidence with the Shroud, and the rear side shows fifty. The only possible conclusion is that the Oviedo sudarium covered the same face as the Turin Shroud.
https://www.shroud.com/guscin.htm
-Removed-I am not attached to the Shroud of Turin at all. I am just convinced by the evidence. I believe you are not at all educated on the facts to come close to being able to challenge the evidence. In fact, it is clear that you will not even concider the evidence due to some unknown prejudice, apparently against the Roman Catholic Church.
I also do not like many things about the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church, but I am not so biased that I will not even consider the truth because it is in possession of the Roman Catholic Church. I am a Protestant and I have never even considered becoming a Roman Catholic.
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-Removed-I believe you have a basic misunderstanding of what happened and what the scriptures say about this. The small cloth or napkin rolled up by itself as mentioned in John is the Sudarium of Oviedo, which contains only the blood stains and no image. The evidence shows this cloth was used to collect the blood from the face and cover the head of Jesus when he was still on the cross. It appears to have been tied around the head and remained there while he was being transported to the grave site. Then it was taken off and rolled up and placed to the side.
Then the body was laid on the long cloth, the Shroud of Turin, and wrapped over the head down to the feet and strips or a strip of cloth was used to tie the body together. This long cloth is the one that had both blood stains and a supernatural image that any one can still see today.
It is believed that the reason the head cloth has no image is because it was not on the body at the time of the resurrection. It is believed that the radiated light during the resurrection is what left the supernatural image on the Shroud of Turin.
-Removed-That is just my way when I come across willful ignorance. Perhaps it comes partly from my military experience instructing ignorant soldiers that has made me so impatient. You are lucky I did not call you a numbnuts.
Yes, I do also refer to Youtube at times because I think it can be a good instructing tool for people that learn better by hearing and seeing things instead of just reading text. Many soldiers coming into the army would not read or understand if you just threw a bunch of papers at them and told them to read it. I am not sure you are much better.