31 Oct 07
God made us as we are. We are sexual beings, among other things. Healthy sexual thoughts bring us pleasure and harm no one. To claim that sexual thoughts are a sin in the eyes of God makes me abhor Christianity even more than I thought possible.
If these such thoughts are so terrible and sinful, why would a god make us this way and why would he program our DNA to be so sexual in nature? What is it about sex (pre-marital, extra-marital or otherwise) that is so sinful?
God made women to be beautiful, attractive, sensual, graceful, elegant, etc. He/She/It made us to be HAPPY and enjoy ourselves on this paradise. He did not create us to live by a rigid archaic dogma which results in men being asexual automatons.
"Love one another", Christ said, replacing the rules of old. Jealousy and possessiveness be damned. Let's love each other, as God intended.
Thoughts?
31 Oct 07
Originally posted by darvlayUnfortunately, Christ didn't replace the rules of old; he made them worse.
God made us as we are. We are sexual beings, among other things. Healthy sexual thoughts bring us pleasure and harm no one. To claim that sexual thoughts are a sin in the eyes of God makes me abhor Christianity even more than I thought possible.
If these such thoughts are so terrible and sinful, why would a god make us this way and why would he progra ...[text shortened]... sy and possessiveness be damned. Let's love each other, as God intended.
Thoughts?
"He who looks upon a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." -JC
31 Oct 07
Originally posted by darvlayOur sexuality is better explained by evolution; why else is it so hard-wired in? Because those for whom it is less hard-wired in continue to be evolved out of the human race....
God made us as we are. We are sexual beings, among other things. Healthy sexual thoughts bring us pleasure and harm no one. To claim that sexual thoughts are a sin in the eyes of God makes me abhor Christianity even more than I thought possible.
If these such thoughts are so terrible and sinful, why would a god make us this way and why would he progra ...[text shortened]... sy and possessiveness be damned. Let's love each other, as God intended.
Thoughts?
A little book called 'Sperm Wars' will explain a lot; except the spiritual side of it all.....
31 Oct 07
Originally posted by darvlayJealousy and possessiveness be damned.
God made us as we are. We are sexual beings, among other things. Healthy sexual thoughts bring us pleasure and harm no one. To claim that sexual thoughts are a sin in the eyes of God makes me abhor Christianity even more than I thought possible.
If these such thoughts are so terrible and sinful, why would a god make us this way and why would he progra ...[text shortened]... sy and possessiveness be damned. Let's love each other, as God intended.
Thoughts?
I’d add exploitiveness to that, as well. (And a few “marriages” I’ve known seem to have been little more than contracts for mutual exploitation; while a few “non-marriages” I’ve known have been deeply loving relationships.)
I’m strictly monogamous—but that’s not out of rules or guilt. I simply find that sexual intimacy in the context of mutual deep love is nothing short of a mind-blowing mystical experience, in which the littleness of “I” gets exploded into the largeness of a We, wherein all the ego-boundaries collapse. Maybe other people don’t need the kind of relationship that I do for that to happen.
That doesn’t mean that otherwise I’d choose celibacy. (Requisite nod to all the risk factors, including that of causing harm.)
With all that said—
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I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen:
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.
And the gates of this Chapel were shut,
And Thou shalt not writ over the door;
So I turn’d to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore,
And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tomb-stones where flowers should be:
And Priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys & desires.
—William Blake, “The Garden of Love”
31 Oct 07
Originally posted by darvlayOf course he wants us to be sexual... he gave us the bits and pieces for such activity...But he wants us to be respectful with it... no premarital sex,perversions etc,etc... He puts 2 together to reproduce.
God made us as we are. We are sexual beings, among other things. Healthy sexual thoughts bring us pleasure and harm no one. To claim that sexual thoughts are a sin in the eyes of God makes me abhor Christianity even more than I thought possible.
If these such thoughts are so terrible and sinful, why would a god make us this way and why would he progra ...[text shortened]... sy and possessiveness be damned. Let's love each other, as God intended.
Thoughts?
I really feel that if you indulge in the perverted side of sex then you are upsetting God and delighting Satan.
31 Oct 07
Originally posted by Jay Joosgo on then, I'll bite.
Of course he wants us to be sexual... he gave us the bits and pieces for such activity...But he wants us to be respectful with it... no premarital sex,perversions etc,etc... He puts 2 together to reproduce.
I really feel that if you indulge in the perverted side of sex then you are upsetting God and delighting Satan.
What do you consider to be 'normal' then? Sex for procreation only? Or are you allowed two pints of pleasure each week?
31 Oct 07
Originally posted by snowinscotlandNormal is anything that is not perverted.... sexual relations within a marriage with your spouse is delightfully normal.
go on then, I'll bite.
What do you consider to be 'normal' then? Sex for procreation only? Or are you allowed two pints of pleasure each week?
31 Oct 07
Originally posted by Jay JoosSex can be "respectful" without "perversion" or marriage (whatever those terms mean).
Of course he wants us to be sexual... he gave us the bits and pieces for such activity...But he wants us to be respectful with it... no premarital sex,perversions etc,etc... He puts 2 together to reproduce.
I really feel that if you indulge in the perverted side of sex then you are upsetting God and delighting Satan.
31 Oct 07
Originally posted by darvlayDo you know the difference? i would say that perverted is not normal practise... i wont say what is perverted i think you can guess for yourself what is disgusting and depraved.
And perverted is anything that is not normal.
And around and around we go!
31 Oct 07
Originally posted by darvlayYou can be respectful in sex outside marriage but that is what God does not want... sex within marriage is god's wish...(i expect Twhitehead to comment soon!!!)
Sex can be "respectful" without "perversion" or marriage (whatever those terms mean).
31 Oct 07
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Originally posted by Jay JoosCorrection - Normal unperverted sex within marriage is God's wish.
You can be respectful in sex outside marriage but that is what God does not want... sex within marriage is god's wish...(i expect Twhitehead to comment soon!!!)
EDIT - And also avoiding eye contact with extremely beautiful women is God's wish as well.