Originally posted by Jay JoosEach member of the "we" had a different explanation.
It escapes me....i cant believe that none of what "we" said was understandable...."we" couldn't have explained it easier.....
Your explanations were not consistent nor clear.
Maybe you would like to try again? When Jesus says something like:
1. If your eye causes you to sin then cut it out.
2. Do not lust for anyone other than your wife.
The is he being serious and if he is not being serious then why did he say it?
Originally posted by twhitehead1. a parable.... it would be better to lose 1 part of your body than for the whole of it to be cast into hell forever.... DONT actually do it but be prepared to be cast away if you sin.
Each member of the "we" had a different explanation.
Your explanations were not consistent nor clear.
Maybe you would like to try again? When Jesus says something like:
1. If your eye causes you to sin then cut it out.
2. Do not lust for anyone other than your wife.
The is he being serious and if he is not being serious then why did he say it?
2. Once again...if you lust after anyone other than your spouse you will be commiting sin so it means "dont sin"
He was serious.
Originally posted by Jay JoosPlease clarify what you mean by that. Why should you not actually do it? Either it is better or it isn't. You cant have it both ways.
1. a parable.... it would be better to lose 1 part of your body than for the whole of it to be cast into hell forever.... DONT actually do it but be prepared to be cast away if you sin.
Originally posted by twhiteheadUnderneath what he was saying is the message "do not sin"... maybe he was saying wouldnt you rather 1 part be damned than the whole of you.... really is just saying do not sin!
Please clarify what you mean by that. Why should you not actually do it? Either it is better or it isn't. You cant have it both ways.
Originally posted by snowinscotlandI don't know if I would word it like you did, but I think some of epiphineas' beliefs are absurd, like the strident prohibitions on 'coveting'. Personally, I don't believe in any gods.
It was the way you put it:- I read it as if you thought a person was judging you...
So do you think god is judging you? for what he designed you for? Or were yoiu telling epi that he/she has got wrapped up way too tight?
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Originally posted by PawnokeyholeIsn't one religious line of thought that God deliberately designed us to experience sexual temptation so that we could freely exercise our will not to succumb to it?
Isn't one religious line of thought that God deliberately designed us to experience sexual temptation so that we could freely exercise our will not to succumb to it?
Isn't sexual temptation one of God's ways of creating the possibility that second-order moral virtues, such as prudence and continence, could come into existence?
The problem is that the temptation itself is condemned, not the actions resulting from that temptation.
Isn't sexual temptation one of God's ways of creating the possibility that second-order moral virtues, such as prudence and continence, could come into existence?
Sounds like one typical response to the 'problem of evil' - a theist argues that events like tsunamis and hurricane Katrina provide the opportunity for second-order moral goods, but the argument isn't satisfying. One wonders why an all-powerful, all-knowing God can only obtain these goods via suffering.
Edit: I wouldn't call 'continence' a moral virtue.